FW: Before Big Bang What?
Philip Benjamin
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[Sean Carroll & Jennifer Chen]
“But is it possible that something could have existed before the Big Bang? After all, something couldn't have come from nothing, right? It turns out the answer is a bit complicated. For example, theoretical physicist (astronomer?) Sean Carroll at the California Institute of Technology and his colleague Jennifer Chen have created their own theory for what may have occurred before our universe. Their paper on the subject, published in 2004, suggested that our universe could have been created as a result of a piece of space-time splitting from a parent universe (via Cornell University)”.
[Philip Benjamin]
Science is about observation, experimentation, logical analysis and rational inferences. What is the observation here? Only the universe as is! Nothing else. Does any sentence above obey the basic laws of logic, such as Law of Noncontradiction, Causality, Infinite Regress, Aseity etc.? Why can’t scientists be logical, rational and humble enough to at least admit that human mind is finite and science is incomplete, imprecise and indefinite. Nobody even knows what precisely even Big Bang is! Where did all that energy come from? Now to add to this irrationality, where did the parent universe come from?
Philip Benjamin
Philip Benjamin
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[Philip Benjamin]
Science is about observation, experimentation, rational analysis and logical conclusion. The universe as is, is all that can be observed. Scientists have to accept with humility the limitations of finite minds to understand and explore the invisible and ponder over what is not subject to sense perceptions. Let the philosophers do that.
Theology, unlike pagan religions of the world, is about the REVELATIONS from the Theos. The Scriptures of the Patriarchs, Prophets and the Apostles make unique claim that they are direct REVELATIONS from Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural). [Abraham was a PAGAN worshipping his own family deities. Only one man/woman in only one nation in one region of the world can be chosen to bring forth the ONE final REVELATION. Here the claim of the Scriptures of the Prophets & Apostles is that the Almighty is mighty enough to be a human zygote planted in a womb (virgin to be clear on the identity) to bring forth the divine in human form (at a particular place Bethlehem as promised aforetime), for the precise purpose of cancelling the universal Death Sentence (entropy) necessarily imposed on the universe by the vicarious death of the Sentencer followed by Resurrection. Now that is the crux of Mosaic sacrifices (types) and Messianic crucifixion (anti-type). That is the crux of revelatory Theology also. That does not belong to science, but it belongs to scientists also in the same way as it is to ALL—men and women alike. . If it is untrue, it does not matter. If it is true, nothing else should matter. 1 + 1 = 2 is the only truth, but 1 + 1 = 2.0000000….to the nth decimal place is only one of infinite lies possible.
Leave that alone. Science has enough and more to meddle with the observable universe. It cannot even define what a phone is!! It can only experiment with it or on it. Incorrigible pride thy name is human heart!
Philip Benjamin
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Subject: Re: Before Big Bang What?
On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias <samiya...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of humans (Adam and his progeny)?
According to the religious, the purpose of humanity is to praise God because there is nothing God loves more than an endless 24/7 stream of uninterrupted flattery. To my mind that makes God seem like a small minded little twit, I'd expect something a bit less mundane from an omniscient omnipotent being who created the universe, however even if it's true it leaves open one question, does God ever ask Himself what His purpose is?
John K Clark
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Philip Benjamin
Typo: photon, not phone. Philip
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Rosemary Rock-Evans
Entropy = "lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder"?
In other words, there will be no systems of the universe.
Given that Dr [Professor?] Clark clearly believes there is no system, as he asks what the purpose of God is, might I suggest we ask him nicely if he will be our Mosaic sacrifice.
It might help and once he has been resurrected, we can all go back to enjoying the planet and saying thank you for it.
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Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin]
Pagans are usually very brilliant and successful people. Augustine was a brilliant Greco-Roman pagan. Ptolemy was likewise a brilliant pagan astronomer, the Ecclesiastical authorities in Galileo’s times were only defending the Ptolemaic scholarship, just as they defend Darwinism today. Lucifer (the shining one) is introduced as the most brilliant of all creation. Pagans produced some of the richest and greatest civilizations—Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, India, China, Greece, Persia, Rome etc. Brilliance is nobody’s monopoly. Only WAMP-the-Ingrate imagine otherwise. Philip
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On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:14 PM Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> unlike pagan religions of the world [blah blah]
I don't get it, every post from you is about pagans, but pagans are almost as dull and downright silly as Christians and Muslims.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
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Rosemary Rock-Evans
"What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind"
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[Philip Benjamin]
Pagans are usually very brilliant and successful people. Augustine was a brilliant Greco-Roman pagan. Ptolemy was likewise a brilliant pagan astronomer, the Ecclesiastical authorities in Galileo’s times were only defending the Ptolemaic scholarship, just as they defend Darwinism today. Lucifer (the shining one) is introduced as the most brilliant of all creation. Pagans produced some of the richest and greatest civilizations—Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, India, China, Greece, Persia, Rome etc. Brilliance is nobody’s monopoly. Only WAMP-the-Ingrate imagine otherwise. Philip
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On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:14 PM Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> unlike pagan religions of the world [blah blah]
I don't get it, every post from you is about pagans, but pagans are almost as dull and downright silly as Christians and Muslims.
John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis
aad
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