Jul 14, 2022 Zoning Board of Appeals

CAN I, CAN I SEE THE AGENDA? UM, GOOD EVENING, ALL.

AS YOU ARE AWARE, THIS IS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS TOWN OF GREENBURG.

THIS IS JULY 14TH, 2022, AND THE MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WILL NOW COME TO ORDER.

WE HAVE, AND I MISPLACED MY AGENDA, SO I FORGOT THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE TONIGHT, BUT WE HAVE MANY, SEVERAL CASES SCHEDULED THAT I WOULD, I WOULD, I, I COULD, I GUESS, DESCRIBE AS HEAVY DUTY CASES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO CONSIDER.

UM, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WISH TO BE HEARD.

SO I'M, ALTHOUGH WE HAVEN'T DONE IT IN RECENT TIMES BECAUSE SINCE COVID AND WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS VIRTUAL THIS WAY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF, UM, INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE APPEARED AND WANTED TO SPEAK OR TO BE HEARD.

HOWEVER, IT APPEARS TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE QUITE A FEW, SO THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STRICTLY ABIDE BY OUR TIME LIMITATIONS THAT WE NORMALLY PUT IN PLACE, WHICH IS 15 TO 20 MINUTES AT THE MOST FOR ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER ON ANY PARTICULAR, UM, CASE THAT WE HAVE ON THIS EVENING.

SO I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

ALSO, I KNOW THAT WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WAS THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB CASE 2208.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO US, SOME QUITE RECENTLY.

AND WHILE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR AS MUCH AS WE CAN THIS EVENING, WITHIN THAT LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, WE WILL NOT BE CONSIDERING EVEN CLOSE THE CASE THIS EVENING.

SO THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED AND FOR US TO GET, UH, SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT, UM, THERE ARE PLANS TO PRODUCE AND, UH, DISTRIBUTE TO US, UH, IN ANY OF IT.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ZONING BOARD WILL HAVE OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 18TH, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, I BELIEVE, UNLESS I'M CORRECTED RIGHT NOW, THAT WILL BE A TOWN HALL AND THAT WILL NOT BE VIRTUAL AT THAT TIME.

THANK GOODNESS.

AS USUAL, IF WE CANNOT COMPLETE HEARING THE CASE TONIGHT ON ANY ONE OF THE MATTERS, WE WILL ADJOURN IT TO ANOTHER MEETING, HOPEFULLY TO BE COMPLETED AT THAT TIME.

ALSO, AS AS USUAL, TO SAVE TIME, WE WILL WAIVE A READING OF THE PROPERTY LOCATION AND THE RELIEF SOUGHT FOR EACH CASE.

HOWEVER, THE REPORTER WILL INSERT THAT INFORMATION IN THE RECORD, AND THIS INFORMATION ALSO APPEARS IN THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.

AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING OF TODAY'S CASES, WE WILL MEET IN, AT LEAST FOR THIS TIME, A ZOOM ROOM TO DISCUSS THE CASES WE HAVE HEARD TODAY.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME TO LISTEN TO OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THAT TIME, BUT THE PUBLIC IS NOT PERMITTED TO SPEAK OR PARTICIPATE DURING OUR DELIBERATIONS.

AFTER THAT, WE GO BACK ON THE FORMAL RECORD TO ANNOUNCE ANY DECISIONS WE MAY HAVE, AND FOR THAT INFORMATION TO BE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK, PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS OR YOUR, YOUR PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATION.

IF YOU ARE NOT A NAMED APPLICANT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

WE HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY AND SOME OF THESE CASES AT PRIOR MEETINGS.

ALL PRIOR TESTIMONY IS ALREADY IN THE RECORD AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED.

AND I WANNA ADD THAT THAT'S CLEAR.

ALSO, FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO SPEAK TONIGHT, IF YOU HEAR SOMEONE WHO HAS ESSENTIALLY PRESENTED WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT, YOU CAN, IF YOU HAVE IT IN A WRITING, YOU CAN PRESENT IT TO US BECAUSE WHATEVER'S IN WRITING AND PRESENT IT TO US ALSO BECOMES PART OF THE RECORD.

SO, THEREFORE, THE FIRST CASE WE HAVE TO BE HEARD TONIGHT IS CASE TWENTY TWO OH FOUR, SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBS FERRY ROLL ROAD, DOBS FERRY REALTY AT SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBS FERRY, MADAM CHAIR, THAT, UH, CASE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.

I THOUGHT THOUGH THAT BECAUSE OF THE NEC THAT OH, OKAY.

STILL ON THE AGENDA.

SO, UM, SO MR. MR. UH, MR. LIEBERMAN, UH, , JUST TO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, UH, SO THAT WAS CLOSED FOR DECISION ONLY.

UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S CLOSE FOR DECISION ONLY.

THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION OF, UH, THE N DECK, UH, OR THE, UH, SECRET DETERMINATION IS SOMETHING FOR YOU, THE BOARD TO, UH, DELIBERATE ON.

AND, UH, THERE'S NO NEED TO, UH, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE, THE PUBLIC NECESSARILY HAS TO BE HEARD ON.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AND MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'D LIKE TO DO ROLL CALL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE SONOGRAPHER IN THE MEETING.

UH, MADAM CHAIR EVE, BUNTING SMITH HERE.

DIANE OBERLY? HERE.

LOUIS CRITCHLOW? HERE.

SHAUNA DICKINSON.

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HERE.

CHRISTIE CONNECT HERE.

AND FOR THE RECORD, WILLIAM BLAND AND ROHAN HARRISON ARE NOT PRESENT.

SO THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, IF I COULD HAVE YOU PLEASE BRING UP THE AGENDA.

THE NEXT ITEM IS C B, A CASE 2208 SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.

I'LL SHARE A SCREEN HERE.

I KNOW THAT, UH, SOME OF YOU ARE LIVE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, BUT THAT STILL, UH, FEEL THAT YOU'LL HAVE BEEN, UH, UM, AFFECTED BY THIS APPLICATION.

IS THERE, IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS YOUR PARTICULAR LOCATION OR SPEAKS ON YOUR BEHALF, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT RATHER THAN HAVING, UM, INDIVIDUAL PARTIES GET UP.

UM, JUST SO WE CAN MOVE THIS A LITTLE FASTER.

WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE GLOBALLY, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE WISH TO HEAR THEM.

MADAM CHAIR SIR.

MADAM CHAIR WAS GONNA SAY, I BELIEVE, UH, MR. STEVEN RABBEL ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UH, WOULD, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OPENING REMARKS.

YES, CERTAINLY.

GO AHEAD.

OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES.

OKAY, EXCELLENT.

UH, SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS STEVEN RABBEL.

I'M WITH THE LAW FIRM, MCCULLOUGH, GOLDBERGER AND SPOUT HERE TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, I HAVE WITH ME FROM THE CLUB BILLARD AND MATT SEVERINO, THE MANAGER AND GROUNDSKEEPER OF THE CLUB.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE OUR CIVIL ENGINEER FROM INSIGHT, ZACH PEARSON.

UH, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE BROUGHT WITH US THE PRESIDENT OF SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, GRAHAM BROUD, WHO, UH, EFFECTIVELY REPRESENTS THE MEMBERS OF THE CLUB THEMSELVES.

UH, AND, AND JUST AS A QUICK BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING AND BACKGROUND FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE NEW TO THE APPLICATION OR WHO MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN, THIS IS ACTUALLY OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING WITH YOUR BOARD.

WE HAD ONE ON APRIL 28TH, UH, AS WELL AS A FOLLOW-UP PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 19TH.

AT THAT TIME, THE HEARING WAS CLOSED FOR DECISION, AND A NEGATIVE DECLARATION WAS ISSUED BY YOUR BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY UNDER SEEKER, UH, THAT OCCURRED AFTER SOME SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION.

I'M SURE MANY OF YOU'LL REMEMBER THE BACK AND FORTH OF THE PARKING DISTRICT AND THE THOROUGH REVIEW OF STORMWATER MEASURES.

UH, IN PARTICULAR THE TOWN ENGINEERS REVIEW OF OUR STORMWATER MITIGATION PLANS AND OUR SWIP.

UH, HOWEVER, UH, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, UH, NEIGHBORS DID, UH, APPARENTLY NOT RECEIVE THE NOTICE FOR WHATEVER REASON DESPITE IT BEING MAILED.

AND SO THE BOARD DECIDED LAST MONTH TO REOPEN THE HEARING, WHICH WAS NOTICED FOR TONIGHT.

SO THIS IS THE REOPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT IS IN FACT OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING OVERALL.

SO, AS I'M SURE YOU SAW IN OUR WRITTEN MATERIALS, WE'VE ENDEAVORED TO RESPOND POINT BY POINT TO EACH OF THE COMMENTS RAISED BY THE PUBLIC.

UH, WE FEEL THAT WE'VE DONE SO, UH, FAIRLY THOROUGHLY AND IN AN EFFORT NOT TO BE REPETITIVE AS YOU REQUESTED.

MADAM CHAIR, I WON'T GO INTO THOSE DETAILS NOW UNLESS THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR POINTS YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO, UH, ARTICULATE A LITTLE BIT BETTER OR GO INTO GREATER DETAIL ON.

UH, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST BRIEFLY TURN IT OVER TO GRAHAM BROY, AGAIN, THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB, UH, TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT, UH, ON BEHALF OF MEMBERSHIP AS TO WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT AND WHAT THE INTENTIONS OF THE CLUB ARE.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, GRAHAM, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, AND THEN IF YOU THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

UH, OTHERWISE WE WOULD RESERVE THE REST OF OUR TIME TO RESPOND TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU, STEVE.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME CLEARLY? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

WHO HAVE VO VOICED OPPOSITION, BUT HAS STILL DELAYED OUR PROCESS.

UH, AND THANKS FOR GIVING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

UM, MY NAME IS GRAHAM BRO.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB AND HERE TO REPRESENT OUR 540 MEMBERS, UM, MANY OF WHOM ARE GREENBURG TOWN RESIDENTS.

UM, MY COMMENTS ARE SIMILAR TO THOSE ACTUALLY MADE LAST NIGHT, UH, AT THE TOWN MEETING, BUT WE HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES AND SHORTENED IT.

UM, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB HAS BEEN A GREENBERG INSTITUTION SINCE ITS, SINCE ITS FOUNDING IN 1898, NEARLY 125 YEARS AGO.

IN OUR LONG HISTORY, WE HAVE ALWAYS ENDEAVORED TO BE AN ENGAGED AND SUPPORTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

WE ARE NOW BEFORE, UH, THIS BOARD SEEKING VARIANCE APPROVALS FOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE TYPICAL FOR PRIVATE CLUBS AND WHICH ARE INTENDED TO IMPROVE SAFETY FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AND TO BETTER ENSURE THE CLUB'S OWN SUCCESS AND CONTINUITY

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IN THE YEARS TO COME.

THIS INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION OF SAFETY NETTING ALONGSIDE OUR GOLF PRACTICE FACILITY THAT ABUTS APARTMENT BLOCK, ONE 40 EAST HARTSELL AVENUE SAFETY NETTING ALONGSIDE OUR 16TH HOLE AND A TENNIS BUBBLE WITHIN OUR PRESENT TENNIS COURT FOOTPRINT BEHIND THE PUBLIC PARKING LOT ON HARTSDALE AVENUE.

AT YOUR JUNE 16TH MEETING, AND AGAIN AT THE TOWN MEETING LAST NIGHT, SOME RESIDENTS OF 80 AND 100 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE HAVE VOICED THEIR CONCERN REGARDING THE PROPOSED SAFETY NET THAT WOULD BE SITUATED ALONG A LIMITED SECTION OF OUR DRIVING RANGE DRIVING RANGE AT A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE FROM EITHER OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

THIS NETTING HAS BEEN PROPOSED SPECIFICALLY IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST FROM THE RESIDENTS AND MANAGEMENT OF ONE 40 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE TO BETTER PROTECT THEIR PARKING LOT.

TO THAT END, THE CLUB HIRED A NETTING EXPERT AND GENERATED A PLAN TO PROTECT THE AREA AROUND ONE 40.

THEY GOT GUIDED US ON THE HEIGHT, WIDTH, AND MATERIALS OF THE NETTING.

THIS WILL COST OUR MEMBERS IN EXCESS OF $200,000.

THE NETTING WILL BE OFF THE BACK OF APARTMENT ONE 40 ONLY.

IT IS NOT CLOSE TO APARTMENTS, 80 AND 100, AND NO PART OF THE NETTING OR ITS POSTS ARE VISIBLE FROM APARTMENT 80 FROM ANY ANGLE.

WE ALSO SAW COMMENTS WERE SUBMITTED BY THE RESIDENTS OF ADM 100.

STAYING IN THE CLUB HAS FAILED TO PROPERLY KEEP UP THE STREAM AND WOODED BUFFER AREA NEAR THEIR PROPERTIES, WHICH THEY ALLEGED HAD CONTRIBUTED TO FLOODING.

CONTRARY TO THIS ASSERTION, THE CLUB HAS ALWAYS STRIVED TO BE RESPONSIVE TO NEIGHBORS WHEREVER PRACTICAL.

IN THAT SPIRIT, THE CLUB INVITED GARRETT DUCAIN TO WALK THE SITE WITH US.

AS SOON AS THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

THEY WERE JOINED BY SP HERGER, THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER AND THE CLUB'S CERTIFIED ARBORIST.

THE TOWN FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF ANY CONDITIONS THAT WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO FLOODING AND NO BLOCKAGE OF ANY STREAM.

ALL BRANCHES AND NATURAL MATERIALS WERE DEEMED TO BE TYPICAL FOR A WOODED BUFFER AREA.

WE ALSO WISH TO FURTHER EMPHASIZE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL HAVE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON WILDLIFE.

YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT THE CLUB PROVIDES A SAFE HABITAT FOR MANY SPECIES OF BIRDS AND ANIMALS AND REPTILES.

TWO OF THE CLUB'S MEMBERS ARE ON THE BOARD OF THE GREEN BIRD NATURE CENTER.

THERE WAS A REQUEST AT THE TOWN MEETING THAT THE CLUB SHOULD GUIDANCE ON THE IMPACT ON BIRDS FROM A RE FROM EXPERTS IN A REP, REPUTABLE ORGANIZATION LIKE THE AUDUBON SOCIETY.

OUR CLUB MEMBERSHIP INCLUDES SANDY MORRISEY, THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER.

SANDY HAS ADVISED OUR CLUB ON WILDLIFE PRESERVATION AND IN PARTICULAR ON BIRD LIFE FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS.

SANDY IS A PRESENT UBON SOCIETY BOARD MEMBER AND ITS FORMER PRESIDENT.

THE NETTING MATERIAL IS TYPICAL OF THAT USED IN BIRD OVARIES, DESIGNED NOT TO HARM BIRDS CLUB, WOULD NEVER PROPOSE WORK THAT COULD COMPROMISE OUR WILDLIFE PROGRAMS, AND IS COMMITTED TO THIS IMPORTANT ELEMENT ON OUR PROPERTY.

PLEASE KNOW, WE CONSIDER OURSELVES TO BE PART OF THE GREENBERG COMMUNITY WITH OVER 150 TOWN RESIDENTS AS CLUB MEMBERS WHO WISH TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.

THE PROPOSED NETTING IS INTENDED TO SERVE AS ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FOR OUR NEIGHBORS AT THEIR REQUEST, AND IS VERY TYPICAL FOR GOLF CLUBS AND USED AT OTHER CLUBS IN GREENBERG AND IN WESTCHESTER.

WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED EXPERT EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING THERE WILL BE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS FROM THIS NETTING, WHICH HAS BEEN UNREFUTED BY THOSE INDIVIDUALS

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WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY PURSUING THIS APPLICATION IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE TOWN BOARD, THE ZONING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS.

OUR COSTS CONTINUED TO INCREASE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE ZONING BOARD, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY CLOSED AND IS NOW REOPENED.

IF THIS PROCESS IS DELAYED ANY FURTHER DUE TO GENERALIZED NEIGHBOR OPPOSITION, IT WILL INCREASE COST TO THE CLUB FURTHER AND ITS MEMBERS SIGNIFICANTLY DUE TO INTEREST RATES, UH, INCREASES, AND OF COURSE INFLATION.

IT WOULD BE TRULY UNFORTUNATE TO BURDEN OUR MEMBERSHIP WITH ADDITIONAL COST BECAUSE OF THESE CONTINUED GENERIC UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS. I HOPE THESE COMMENTS REFLECT THE CLUB'S COMMITMENT AND PRIDE IN CARING FOR OUR NEIGHBORS ALONG OUR PROPERTY, AND WILL NOW ALLOW US TO PROCEED WITH OUR PROPOSALS, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN THOROUGHLY VETTED BY THE TOWN'S PROFESSIONALS.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, GRAHAM.

UH, AND JUST ONE OTHER PROCEDURAL NOTE THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION IN MY OPENING REMARKS.

UH, FOR THOSE OF YOU ON THE BOARD WHO MAY NOT BE AWARE, WE DID HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE TOWN BOARD LAST NIGHT AS GRAHAM REFERENCED, UH, AND THE TOWN BOARD DID VOTE TO CLOSE THE HEARING, UH, AND LEAVE IT OPEN FOR A WRITTEN COMMENT FOR A PERIOD OF 10 DAYS, UH, AS WELL AS FOR A SITE WALK TO FLOAT BALLOONS UP, WHICH WE THINK IS GOING TO FURTHER, UH, SUBSTANTIATE THE RENDERINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO BOTH YOUR BOARD AND THE TOWN BOARD.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT PROCEDURAL STEP WITH THE TOWN BOARD.

ABOUT WHAT GOOD NEIGHBORS THEY STRIVE TO BE, THE BOARD AND AND MANAGEMENT OF A D N 100 WOULD.

WHO DO WE HAVE THAT WANTS TO COMMENT WITH REGARD TO THE CON? SO, MADAM CHAIR, UH, THREE, THREE PEOPLE HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WISH TO SPEAK, UH, MS. DEBORAH BLOOM, UH, SS GOLDBERG AND MEL GARNER THUS FAR HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK.

UM, AND I SEE ONE MORE RAISING THEIR HAND THERE, SO I WILL CALL OUT ONE AT A TIME.

UM, DEBORAH BLOOM.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS DEBORAH BLOOM.

I LIVE AT 80 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE AND HAVE BEEN SO FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.

UH, I WANNA BEGIN BY THANKING THE ZONING BOARD FOR REOPENING THE HEARING TO GIVE US A CHANCE TO BE HEARD.

UH, AT LAST NIGHT'S TOWN BOARD MEETING, MR. RABEL EXPRESSED HIS FRUSTRATION AT HOW DRAWN OUT THE APPROVAL PROCESS HAS BEEN.

SO, CAN YOU IMAGINE MY FRUSTRATION THAT AN ISSUE THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT HAD BEEN DECIDED UPON MORE THAN 15 YEARS AGO IS BACK ON THE TABLE? AS I SAID AT THE JUNE 8TH TOWN BOARD MEETING, IT'S DEJA VU ALL OVER AGAIN.

UM, YOU, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW FROM LISTENING TO THE GOLF CLUB CLUB PRESENTATION THAT THE ZONING BOARD TURNED DOWN A SIMILAR, EXCUSE ME.

UH, YOU'D NEVER KNOW FROM THE, UH, GOLF CLUB'S PRESENTATION THAT THE ZONING BOARD HAD TURNED DOWN A SIMILAR REQUEST YEARS AGO.

YOU KNOW, THAT THE EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE CO-OP AND, UH, CONDO COMMUNITIES ISSUES, YOU ALREADY KNOW THOSE ISSUES.

PROPERTY VALUES, THE IMPACT ON WILDLIFE AND THE POTENTIAL FOR, UH, FOR, UH, PROBLEMS WITH, WITH FLOODING.

NOT THAT IT CAUSES FLOODING, BUT CONTRIBUTES TO FLOODING.

WHEN WE HAVE THESE 105 HUNDRED YEAR STORMS ON JULY 8TH, TOM FLACO OF WESTEX, WHICH IS THE MANAGING AGENT FOR 100, PROVIDED THE TOWN BOARD WITH PHOTOS TAKEN JUNE 7TH OF THE WEIR AND THE STREAM, AND THE DETRITUS OF LOGS, BRANCHES, AND TREE STUMPS NEXT TO AND IN THE, IN THE, UH, STREAM THAT RUNS ON GOLF CLUB POP PROPERTY BEHIND THE BUILDINGS.

THE NEXT MORNING, ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS OBSERVED GOLF CLUB EMPLOYEES SCURRYING AROUND TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE AREA.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BEFORE GRAHAM CAME.

UH, GARRETT CAME TO VISIT IT.

GIVEN OUR EXPERIENCE OVER THE YEARS, WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THAT ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THIS AREA WILL BE ANY BETTER THAN PAST MAINTENANCE OR LACK THEREOF.

THE GOLF CLUB'S ATTORNEY AND PRESIDENT BOTH SPOKE AT LENGTH LAST NIGHT

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DESPITE THAT, AND I BELIEVE MY BOARD PRESIDENT CLEMENTINE CARBO WILL SPEAK AT MORE DETAIL WITH MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT.

I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE GOLF COURSE HAS AGREED TO THE SITE VISIT AT THE, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT.

THEY DIDN'T SEEM TOO HAPPY ABOUT IT, AND I HOPE THAT THE SITE VISIT WILL INCLUDE GOING OVER TO THE, UM, TO THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES AND GOING UP TO ONE OF THE TOP FLOOR TERRACES TO OBSERVE FROM THERE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF PREVIOUS VISITS INCLUDED ANY OBSERVATION FROM THE TOP FLOOR TERRACE, THE TOP FLOOR TERRACES, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT FROM THE TERRACE OF FRIENDS WHO LIVE ON THE TOP FLOOR, I CERTAINLY SEE THE AREA THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED.

SO, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, HOW YOU CAN BE SO SURE THAT THERE'S NO VISIBLE INTERFERENCE BY BY THE NETTING.

I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN UP THERE OR NOT.

I HAVE.

ANYWAY, I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT IF THERE TURN OUT TO BE TOO MANY PEOPLE TO SPEAK TONIGHT, THAT YOU WILL HOLD IT, HOLD THE HEARING OPEN A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

WHEN THE, WHEN THE DATE OF THE, UM, UH, BALLOON TEST IS IDENTIFIED, WE WILL NOTIFY RESIDENTS, UH, OF THE TIME AND DATE OF THAT.

UM, AND I FAILED TO MENTION THOMAS FLACO DID IDENTIFY YOU WANTED TO SPEAK BY EMAIL.

SO I'LL CALL ON THOMAS FLACO AND DOROTHY FINGER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ALSO.

MR. FLOCKO, ARE YOU HERE? ARE YOU READY? YES, I AM.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

A NET, HE'S CONCERNED ABOUT HIS VEHICLE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO TOWN BOARD THANKS TO TOWN, UH, THE ZONING BOARD FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT.

UH, I WON'T BE TOO REPETITIVE LIKE I WAS LAST NIGHT AT THE TOWN MEETING.

UH, WHILE I DO APPRECIATE THE PRESIDENT'S, UH, UH, SPEECH AND WHAT HE SAYS THAT THE GOLF CLUB HAS DONE OR IS DOING, UH, REALLY THEY'RE NOT ACCURATE.

UH, A LOT OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S BEING DISSEMINATED FROM THEM IS BASED ON A, UH, REQUEST FROM A BUILDING, WHICH IS A RENTAL BUILDING IN THE AREA.

ONE OF THE ONLY RENTAL BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK WHERE EVERYWHERE ELSE IS A CO-OP OR A CONDOMINIUM.

SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROTECTING A INDIVIDUAL OWNER OF A PROPERTY, NOT INDIVIDUAL OWNERS.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE COMPLAINTS HAVE COME FROM.

I DON'T KNOW, IN THE PAST 30 YEARS, WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS NETTING THAT IS REQUIRED THERE TO PROTECT RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR OVER 60 YEARS.

UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THE GOLF CLUB, UH, AT 100, WE MANAGE THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE GOLF CLUB CLOSELY OVER THE MANY YEARS.

AND, UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT COME UP.

WHEN GOLF BALLS WERE COMING ONTO ONE HUNDRED'S PROPERTY AND WE ADDRESSED THE, THE GOLF CLUB ABOUT IT, INSTEAD OF PUTTING UP NETTING AND UNSIGHTLY NETTING THAT WOULD BE DEVALUING OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DECIDED TO MOVE THE HOLE TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

SO THEY MOVED THE HOLE OVER.

IT WASN'T ENOUGH, SO THEY MOVED THE HOLE FURTHER OVER.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS NETTING IS SO IMPORTANT WHERE THINGS CAN'T BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT COULD HANDLE ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS.

UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A NETTING THAT'S 90 FEET TALL, BUT IF NOBODY SAYS EXACTLY HOW HIGH THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE, UH, THEIR ATTORNEY KEEPS TELLING YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TREE LINE AND YOU WON'T BE ANYTHING ABOVE THE TREE LINE BEHIND ONE 40.

MY PROBLEM IS, IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTOS I SENT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF A BUILD OF APARTMENT THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE GOLF COURSE, MORE THAN 250 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, HAS A VIEW OF THE GREENERY AND THE TREE LINE BEHIND ONE 40.

IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO AS HIGH AS THAT TREE LINE OF ONE 40, THOSE TREES EXTEND 10 TO 15 FEET ABOVE THE BUILDING.

SO IF THEY'RE GONNA GET RID OF THE GREENERY AND INSTALL FENCING AT THE SAME HEIGHT OF THE TREE LINE, THEN THE TREE LINE AND THE FENCING ARE GONNA BE AT THE SAME HEIGHT, AND YOU WILL SEE THE FENCING INSTEAD OF WHAT THE TREES ARE, WHICH IS GOING TO IMPACT VIEWS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE STREET AND THEIR VALUE TO THE APARTMENT.

A GENTLEMAN LAST NIGHT TALKED ABOUT THE 16TH HOLE NETTING GOING UP, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE HE OWNS A PROPERTY AND HE OWNS A SINGLE FAMILY OWNED, WHICH A BUS, THE GOLF COURSE FROM THE BACK PORTION OF HIS BACKYARD.

SO THEN PUTTING A FENCE UP FOR HIM IS ACTUALLY INCREASING THE VALUE OF HIS PROPERTY.

'CAUSE HE WILL NOT HAVE GOLF BALLS IN HIS YARD, IN HIS KITCHEN, IN HIS DRIVEWAY, OR BREAKING HIS WINDOWS.

SO FOR HIM, IT'S PLUS.

SO MY, MY ISSUE IS THEN PUT IT OVER THERE, WHY CAN'T THEY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WITH THE DRIVING RANGE TO MAYBE RELOCATE THE DRIVING RANGE TO A DIFFERENT POSITION THAT THE THE BALLS DON'T GO TO ONE 40? WHY IS THE, WHY IS THE BUILDING ONE 40, WHICH IS ONLY A RENTAL, GET PREFERENCE OVER EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE OWNS AND WILL BE MORE IMPACTED THAN 1 41 40 RESIDENTS? THE BACK OF THE BUILDING DOESN'T CARE WHETHER HE HAS A NET, DOESN'T HAVE

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THERE'S NO UNSUBSTANTIATED EVIDENCE.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE GENTLEMAN LAST NIGHT SAID, WHEN YOU MOVED INTO NEXT TO A A GOLF CLUB, THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS YOU SHOULD HAVE BASED ON MOVING THERE.

WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOW THE EXPECTATIONS HAVE CHANGED OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AT ONE 40 AND THEY NEED A NETTING TO GO UP THERE TO PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT A GOLF BALL.

I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY MAJOR INJURY BREAKAGE AND OTHER THINGS ARE PART OF LIVING ON A GOLF COURSE? AND IF THEY HAVE TO, THEN THE GENTLEMAN SAID LAST NIGHT, IT'S COMMON SENSE, MAN, UP AND ACCEPT THE BALL MAY COME THROUGH YOUR WINDOW, BUT I DON'T SEE THE UNSIGHTLY NETTING HAVING TO GO UP.

I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE SETBACKS FOR THE NETTING TO GO UP.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, UH, TO BE REMOVED FROM ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, ANOTHER SET FOOT TO GO FROM 16 FEET TO THREE FEET.

I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALSO THE, THE NET'S GOING FROM 12 TO 25 FEET FOR A TENNIS BUBBLE, AND THEN THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 12 FEET VARIANCE TO A 90 FOOT VARIANCE FOR FENCING.

UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ACCURATE WITH THEIR STATEMENT ABOUT THE NATURE CENTER, BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UH, ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS WAS NICKED BY THE ZONING BOARD, IT WAS THE NATURE CENTER THEMSELVES WHO SENT STUFF IN SAYING THAT IT WOULD IMPACT THE FLIGHT PLAN OF A LOT OF THE BIRDS THAT WERE IN THE AREA, WHICH IS WHY THE GOLF COURSE INCLUDED ALL THESE BLUE BOXES AND OTHER STUFF TO KEEP THE AV AREA AROUND, BUT THEY DIDN'T PUT UP THE FENCE.

SO I DON'T SEE WHERE ALL THESE THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE 30 YEARS THAT REQUIRE ANY OF THESE ITEMS. I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS A WONDERFUL, GREAT NEIGHBOR LIKE THEY SAY THEY ARE.

I'VE NEVER MET THE PRESIDENT OF THE GOLF CLUB UNTIL TONIGHT BECAUSE HE HAS AN INTEREST IN THIS.

I FEEL THAT'S WHY HE'S SHOWING HIS FACE.

OKAY? LAST NIGHT THEY HAD 35 MEMBERS THERE TRYING TO SHOW A DAVID AND GOLIATH APPEARANCE THAT I DIDN'T REALLY APPRECIATE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S AS VERY SIMPLE AS WHY YOU DEVALUE OTHER PROPERTIES WHEN YOU WANNA MAKE MONEY ON YOUR PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO.

IRRELEVANT TO WHAT THE FLOODING IMPACT IS GOING TO CAUSE.

AND WE ALL KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT ANYBODY SAYS, THE ENGINEER, THE STORMWATER PEOPLE, EVERYTHING, EVERY TIME THERE'S A MAJOR STORM IN THIS AREA, THIS AREA GETS FLOODED.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE.

IT FLOODS.

YOU WANT TO COME AND SEE IT.

I CAN SHOW YOU A VIDEO OF SIX FEET OF WATER IN 17 MINUTES.

SO WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY REALLY HAVEN'T THOUGHT IT THROUGH.

AND HOW MANY OF THEIR MEMBERS THAT ARE APPLYING TO THIS OR IN, IN FAVOR OF THIS LIVE IN THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THIS FENCE? I DOUBT NONE OF THEM.

SO EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING TO YOU IS A WISHFUL THING, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE WHERE THEY'RE COMING ACROSS AS BEING VERY HONEST.

I ALSO AM A LITTLE UNCLEAR BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT AS JUST TWO TENNIS BUBBLES, UH, A YEAR AGO, MAYBE EVEN MORE, AND THEN IT TURNED INTO NETTING.

SO WHY ARE WE GETTING, WHAT IS IT GONNA BE NEXT? THEY'RE GONNA WANNA EXPAND THE PARKING LOT.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE HARD SALE PARKING DISTRICT AND THE CARS.

WHERE DOES IT END? I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE EVEN ASKING FOR THIS.

AGAIN, BASED ON ONE BUILDING'S CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE DAMAGES TO THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH I'VE SEEN NONE OF.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR AT LEAST 15 ON MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WANNA KNOW.

UM, SO SIR, MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANNA NOTE THAT THERE ARE, UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 OTHER SPEAKERS.

UM, JUST I'LL FINISH UP AS RIGHT THERE.

MAN.

I REALLY HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY OTHER THAN THE PICTURES THAT I PRESENTED TO THE, THE ZONING BOARD.

I WISH I WOULD REVIEW THEM.

A LETTER I PUT BACK IN 2016 ABOUT THE FLOODING ISSUE.

THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED TO DO.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M A RESIDENT OF ONE 20 EAST HARTSDALE.

I HAVE SOME DIFFERENT TYPE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, FIRST, THIS 90 FOOT STRUCTURE WILL BE MOST LIKELY ONE OF THE TALLEST STRUCTURES IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.

AND IT'S NOT AT ALL CLEAR WHERE THIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE PLACED.

IS IT BEHIND THE TREE LINE? IS IT ADJACENT TO THE, UH, THE STREAM? IF IT'S BEHIND THE TREE LINE, AS WE'VE JUST HEARD, AND IT'S SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO THEN SHIELD THE VISIBILITY OF IT, THEN THAT MEANS THAT THE GOLF COURSE CAN'T GET TO THE TREES BEHIND THAT, UH, THAT NETTING.

IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

HOW ARE THEY GONNA MAINTAIN THOSE TREES? OR IS THE PLAN THAT THEY WANT TO CUT THEM DOWN? BECAUSE MAINTAINING THESE TREES IS EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE.

THEY MAINTAIN SOME OF THE TREES, THEY'VE CUT OFF TREETOPS.

UH, BUT HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? THAT HAS NOT BEEN EXPLAINED.

AND IF THE TREE LINE, UH, AND THAT MOVEMENT OF THE TREE LINE IS BEHIND IT, THAT DOESN'T WORK EITHER.

SO NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU SLICE IT, THIS DESCRIPTION OF HOW THEY'RE GOING TO INTERFACE WITH A 90 FOOT HIGH STRUCTURE ALONG A TREE LINE THAT HAS VERY, VERY LITTLE TOLERANCE, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT DOESN'T WORK.

IF TREES ARE REMOVED FOR SOME REASON, THEN THE TOWN NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

IF THERE IS SOME HIDDEN PLAN TO REMOVE TREES FOR SOME REASON, THEN THE TOWN NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

WHO IS THIS ULTIMATELY BENEFITING? THE TOWN OF GREENBURG IS COMPRISED OF, IT'S A, THIS IS A TOWN THAT IS NOT A WEALTHY TOWN PER SE,

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BUT THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB IS THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB IS AN ELITE CLUB.

SO WHO'S BENEFITING HERE? IS THE TOWN OF GREENBURG BENEFITING IN SOME WAY? WE'VE JUST HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTARY ABOUT THE EXPENSE, THE COST STRUCTURE TO THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.

WELL, WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS BUSINESS PEOPLE, WE CERTAINLY ARE SYMPATHETIC TO THAT AS BUSINESS PEOPLE.

THAT DOES NOT COUNT TO THE, TO THE AESTHETIC ISSUES TO THE TOWN FOR ALL THE POTENTIAL UNRESOLVED ISSUES REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THIS TYPE OF PROJECT TO THE TOWN AND THE ENVIRONMENT.

THIS TREE LINE AND THIS, THIS WOODED AREA HAVE BEEN THERE FOR, IN SOME CASES, A HUNDRED YEARS.

SO WE'RE GONNA PUT UP A 90 FOOT STRUCTURE.

THE HIGHEST STRUCTURE IN ALL OF GREENBURG IS GOING TO BE AN UGLY FENCE WITHOUT A RESOLVE STRATEGY OF WHERE THAT FENCE IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE BEFORE OR BEHIND THAT TREE LINE.

I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER AND HEAR TESTIMONY ABOUT THAT, AND HEAR TESTIMONY ABOUT WHETHER THE GOLF CLUB ACTUALLY TENDS TO KEEP ALL THE TREES OR CUT THEM DOWN.

LONG TIME AND I'VE PUT UP WITH THESE GOLF BALLS.

WHO'S NEXT? UH, MEL GARNER.

SIR, IF YOU HOLD DOWN ON THE SPACE BAR, IT SHOULD UNMUTE OR YOU CAN, UH, THERE YOU GO.

GREAT.

UM, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, SO YOU CAN MOVE ON.

HI, MY NAME IS CAROLINA.

I AM THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS FOR ONE 40 EAST DALE.

UM, THE REASON WHY THIS IS VERY NECESSARY IS FOR LIFE SAFETY.

I HAVE SEEN YEARS AFTER YEARS GOLF COURSE, THE BALLS HITTING THE CARS.

WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY.

WE HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY THAT IT HAD ONLY HIT THE CARS.

IT HAS HIT THE WINDOWS, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY LUCKY.

NEXT TIME WE MIGHT NOT BE SO LUCKY AND WE MIGHT LOSE A LIFE.

SO THIS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR LIFE SAFETY BECAUSE WE HAVE CHILDREN, WE HAVE ELDERLY PEOPLE, WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE, WE HAVE EVERY KIND.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT? HUMAN LIFE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE VALUABLE THAN A VIEW.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE VALUABLE THAN 200,000.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LIABILITY HERE ALSO AT PLAY THAT IF SOMEBODY GETS HIT WITH A BALL AND DIES, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN IS LIABLE AND, YOU KNOW, THE GOLF COURSE IS LIABLE.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD NEED TO CONSIDER LIFE SAFETY AND CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN FEAR OF THEIR LIFE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU RENT OR DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU OWN.

AND, UH, AS I COULD HEAR, THIS IS ONLY GONNA AFFECT THE VIEW OF ONE 40, AND WE'RE WILLING TO LOSE A VIEW SO WE COULD SLEEP BETTER AT NIGHT TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE SAFE.

THANK YOU, JIM BLAND.

UH, THANK YOU, GARRETT.

UM, I'VE BEEN AN EDGEMONT RESIDENT FOR 38 YEARS, AND THE LAST 35 OF THOSE YEARS I'VE LIVED AT 74 HIGH RIDGE ROAD IN HARTSDALE, WHICH, UH, SHARES A PROPERTY LINE WITH THE 16TH GREEN OF THE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.

UM, I'VE ALSO BEEN, UH, LONG INVOLVED WITH THE GREENBERG NATURE CENTER.

I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD THERE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN THE BOARD CHAIR FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BOTH AS A HOMEOWNER, UM, LIVING NEXT TO THE CHORUS.

AND, UM, AND IN MY ROLE WITH THE NATURE CENTER, I KNOW THE GOLF CLUB TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

UM, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THERE, UH, THERE ARE NO ISSUES, UH, BECAUSE LIVING NEXT TO A GOLF COURSE, UH, IS A DOUBLE EDGED SWORD.

IT IT IS BEAUTIFUL, BUT, UH, GOLF BALLS IN PARTICULAR, UH, UH, CAN BE AN ISSUE.

I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THOUGH, THAT, AS IN, IN, IN WHAT I'M SAYING TONIGHT, I'M SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT, NOT IN MY ROLE WITH THE NATURE CENTER.

ALSO, UM, WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD HOOD ASSOCIATION HERE IN GREENRIDGE, THIS PART OF EDGEMONT.

AND I, I KNOW THAT THE GREENRIDGE ASSOCIATION HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT THE GOLF COURSE IS PROPOSING.

SO I'LL JUST ADD THAT I THINK, UH, GARRETT, YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR THE FENCE AND THE NETTING THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS PROPOSING.

I, IN FACT, REQUESTED, UH, OF THE GOLF COURSE IF THEY PUT UP, UH, NETTING, AND I WOULD PREFER THAT THEY PUT UP, PUT IT UP A LOT HIGHER THAN THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND IT IS FOR PRECISELY THE REASON THAT THE, THE WOMAN JUST MENTIONED THAT SPOKE BEFORE ME.

IT'S A MATTER OF SAFETY.

UM, I'VE LIVED HERE A

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UH, FOR TOO LONG NOW, I AM RETIRED, SO I'M NOT AWAY ALL DAY EVERY DAY.

UH, I'M AT HOME, I'M GARDENING.

I'M WORKING, UH, IN THE YARD NEAR THE GOLF COURSE.

AND FRANKLY, I'VE HAD TOO MANY GOLF BALLS WHIZZ RIGHT BY MY HEAD, OR, UH, OR MY FAMILY'S, UH, UH, HEAD AS, AS THEY'RE OUT IN THE YARD.

I EVEN ONCE HAD A GOLF CLUB COME FLYING THROUGH OFF THE COURSE AND GO THROUGH ONE OF MY CAR WINDSHIELDS.

UH, SO, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, UH, I DO THINK, UH, WE NEED THIS FOR SAFETY REASONS.

I AM A GOLFER.

I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE GOLF CLUB, BUT I'VE PLAYED GOLF ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AND ANY GOLF COURSE THAT IS IN A POPULATED AREA HAS A HIGH NET OR FENCE, UH, NEXT TO A DRIVING RANGE THAT IS JUST COMMON SENSE.

AND IT IS FOR THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF, UH, PEOPLE THAT, UH, EITHER LIVE OR, UH, ARE WALKING, UH, NEARBY.

SO I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS.

UM, UH, I AM AMAZED THAT THIS HAS TAKEN SO LONG.

UM, AND FRANKLY, EVERY DAY THAT THIS PROCESS IS DELAYED IS ANOTHER DAY WHEN GOLF, GOLF BALLS COME WHIZZING INTO MY YARD.

SO I BEG THAT THIS, THIS ZONING BOARD AND THE TOWN COUNCIL MOVE THIS PROCESS ALONG AND DO WHAT IS JUST SIMPLE COMMON SENSE.

UH, PLEASE MOVE THIS FORWARD.

EVEN LATER EVENINGS, THE TIMES WHEN IT'S VERY BUSY ON EAST PARKDALE AVENUE, THOSE ARE THE BUSIEST TIMES, PARTICULARLY IN THE GOOD WEATHER.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

NEXT DOROTHY FINGER ONLY.

WE ONLY HAVE A FEW MINUTES MORE WE CAN ALLOCATE TO THIS, OKAY.

UH, DOROTHY FINGER, SO PLEASE DO.

YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA APOLOGIZE TO CAROL AND EVERYBODY ELSE FOR MY HARASSING THEM TODAY, TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET INTO THE ZOOM.

I'M JUST TECHNOLOGICALLY INEPT, SO PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES.

I WON'T BE LONG.

WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE NETTING, AND I AM NOT GOING TO SAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THAT.

I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO REFER TO IS, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MINUTES FROM YOUR MAY 19TH, HEARING THE ZONING BOARD MINUTES, IT HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OUTDOOR COURT AND NO REAL MITIGATION OF THE WATER.

WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON THE AREA THAT WAS ASKED NUMEROUS TIMES? AND AT THAT TIME, MR. LOVE WAS THE ATTORNEY FROM THE HARTSDALE PUBLIC PARKING DISTRICT EXPRESSED SERIOUS CONCERNS OVER THE FLOODING.

HE POINTED OUT THAT THE BUBBLE MAY EXACERBATE THE FLOODING BECAUSE WATER COMES DOWN THE HILL AND SNOW RUN FOUND THE HILL.

AND WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE FLOODING AND THE FLOODING ON THE STREETS THERE AND THE FLOODING INTO THE BUILDING.

I REPRESENT, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED 80 EAST HEART FAILURE AVENUE.

AND THEY AND OTHERS HAVE HAD SERIOUS, SERIOUS FLOODING.

NOW, WE KNOW THAT THAT STORM IN SEPTEMBER WAS UNUSUAL, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT HAPPENS AGAIN AND AGAIN IN VARYING DEGREES, AND THIS WILL NOT BE MITIGATED BY WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING IN REALITY.

UM, THE, UH, FACT IS THAT THE STUDIES WERE NOT REALLY, UH, COMPLETE.

THERE WAS NO COMPLETE, UM, ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF A, A , THE, UH, KEEPING UP OF THE SCREEN.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'VE BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

AND, UM, I I WANNA POINT OUT JUST ABOUT THE, THE WILDLIFE BRIEFLY, THAT THEY POINTED OUT THAT THEY HAVE HABITATS FOR THEM AND SOMEBODY WHO IS WITH THE HAS MEMBERS IN THE AUDUBON AND OTHER THINGS.

ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY SPOKE LAST NIGHT AND POINTED OUT THAT THAT'S ONLY EXACERBATES THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DANGER TO THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT USED TO THE NETTING AND THEY'RE NOT USED TO THESE OTHER BUILDINGS, AND THEY HAVE BECOME ACCUSTOMED AND THEY, UH, WILL BE MORE ON THE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE MORE ON THE PROPERTY.

SHE SAID EVEN FIVE FOOT NETTING WOULD BE, UH, TOO MUCH.

BUT ASIDE FROM THE NETTING, I WANNA POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS NEVER A FULL E I S.

AND ALTHOUGH LAST NIGHT WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT A PHOTO SIMULATION, AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS DONE, IN FACT, A PHOTO SIMULATION OF THE VARIOUS, UH, ASPECTS IS NOT DONE.

THERE WERE PHOTOGRAPHS, BUT NOT A PHOTO, UH, UH, SIMULATION.

THERE WAS NO TRAFFIC STUDY ACTUALLY DONE.

UH, NOW THE THE'S CLEAR THAT THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF MEMBERSHIPS, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, THEY'RE COMPETING WITH OTHER CLUBS, UH, IS THAT'S WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS, TO INCREASE MEMBERS.

THERE'S NO INDICATION OF HOW THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT IT.

AND ALSO THE TIME OF THE USE, BECAUSE THE TIME OF THE USE WILL BE IN THE EARLY MORNINGS WHEN, WHEN TRAFFIC IS HEAVY AS WELL.

NOW, EVEN WITHOUT THIS EXTRA TRAFFIC, AND IN THE EARLY AND

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AND IN THE BAD WEATHER, YOU HAVE A BUBBLE.

AND IN THE CONGESTION, WEATHER COULD BE EXACERBATED.

THERE WAS NO SUCH STUDY, AND THAT WAS RAISED TOWN BOARD.

UH, IT'S IN THE TOWN BOARD, UH, DOCUMENTS THAT THEY PROVIDE, THE FACT THAT, UM, IT NEEDED VARIANCE TYPES OF .

UH, MA'AM, YOUR PHONE, I, YOUR, YOUR CONNECTION'S CUTTING OUT, MA'AM, AND WE'RE NOT PICKING YOU UP WITH THE STENOGRAPHER PROPERLY, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GONNA BE PRODUCTIVE MUCH MORE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

PATENTLY FALSE, A NETTING PLAN SHOWING HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, THE LOCATIONS OF EACH POLE HAS BEEN LAID OUT.

SO MY POINT IS THAT THEY NEEDED VARIANCES FOR THE HEIGHT OF THE TENANT, ENCLOSURES AND THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.

UH, SO THE FACT THAT THEY NEED VARIANCES TELLS YOU THAT THEY NEED TO DO MORE STUDYING THAT WE DON'T JUST GRANT VARIANCES BECAUSE IT HELPS AN APPLICANT.

IN ADDITION, UH, THEY NOTED IN THEIR OWN APPLICATION THAT THERE'S MORE THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND BEING DISTURBED.

THAT'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY.

AND THAT DISTURBANCE IS NOT DISCUSSED OR EVALUATED IN ANY, UH, GREAT, GREAT LENGTH.

I THINK THAT, UM, WE KNOW THAT THE CHANGING DRAINAGE PATTERNS WILL FURTHER EXPOSE THE AREAS OF SIGNIFICANT FLOODING, THE TRAFFIC THAT I MENTIONED.

UM, AND THEREFORE, WE SHOULD ALSO LOOK TO THE FACT THAT IT'S A CHANGE IN LAND USE, AND THEREFORE THAT'S IT REQUIRE A USE VARIANCE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, ESPECIALLY, UM, UH, A TENNIS COURT.

AND NOW, UH, THE PICKLEBALL, WHICH HAS BECOME VERY POPULAR TO READ, BUT WE DON'T JUST, UH, CHANGE USES BECAUSE THINGS BECOME POPULAR.

I THINK THAT FINALLY, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA BE VINDICTIVE OR, UH, INAPPROPRIATE IN ANY WAY, BUT I THINK THAT THE COST TO THE MEMBERS, UM, OF DOING THIS AND NOT DOING THIS, OR IF THEY DON'T HAVE THIS, UH, AMENITY, IS NOT A FACTOR TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE ZONING BOARD.

THE ZONING BOARD IN, UH, GREENBERG KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT THEIR JOB IS.

AND, UM, SO I THINK THEY WILL DO THAT.

I WOULD URGE THE ZONING BOARD TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE TOWN BOARD IN THE, UH, VISUAL, UH, INSPECTION.

UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAIN THING.

AND I THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR TIME.

YOU ARE WELCOME.

GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT ON THIS, I WANNA GIVE THE APPLICANT THREE MINUTES TO MAKE A RESPONSE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

IF INDEED, UH, THE CASE OTHER CASES GO QUICKLY ENOUGH, PERHAPS WE CAN COME BACK, BUT I WON'T GUARANTEE THAT AT THIS MOMENT.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

UH, THERE'S A LOT TO COVER HERE.

A LOT OF INACCURACIES AND INCONSISTENCIES.

I'LL DO MY BEST TO RUN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY.

UH, SO, UH, IN RESPONSE TO CLUB GOING OUT AND CHANGING THE WOODED BUFFER, UH, THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

OBVIOUSLY, CLUB MEMBERS OR CLUB STAFF WENT OUT TO INSPECT, BUT AS MR. FLACO TESTIFIED LAST NIGHT, THAT BUFFER AREA HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED SINCE THEY INITIALLY RAISED THIS ISSUE WITH THE TOWN BOARD.

UH, I, I TAKE SOME PERSONAL EXCEPTION TO THE INFERENCE THAT SOMEHOW RENTERS ARE LESS MEMBERS OF THE C COMMUNITY OF GREENBURG THAN PEOPLE WHO OWN.

JUST BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO RENT OR MAYBE CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY DOESN'T MAKE THEIR SAFETY ANY LESS IMPORTANT OR THEIR VOICE ANY LESS VALID TO THE MEM TO THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

UH, AND, AND WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT? THIS, THIS NETTING IS TO BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS AT A SIGNIFICANT COST, WHICH, UH, ATTORNEY FINGER JUST SAID YOU SHOULDN'T CONSIDER BECAUSE WHO CARESS ABOUT THE HARDSHIP TO THE CLUB.

BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THIS IS A FISCAL HARDSHIP TO THE CLUB THAT THEY'RE WILLINGLY TAKING ON BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS AND MANAGEMENT OF ONE 40 AND THE TOWN ITSELF, MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD ASKED THE CLUB TO PUT UP ADDITIONAL SAFETY MEASURES.

THAT'S WHO IT BENEFITS.

THAT'S WHY THIS IS BEING DONE AS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE NETTING.

AGAIN, TO REITERATE GRAHAM'S COMMENTS, A NETTING EXPERT CAME OUT AND GAVE A PROFESSIONAL OPINION ABOUT THE MINIMUM HEIGHT NEEDED TO PROVIDE EFFECTIVE SCREENING.

THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S BEING DONE WILLY-NILLY.

THIS ISN'T MONEY THAT'S BEING SPENT JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CLUB IS TAKING SERIOUSLY AS TO THE COMMENT THAT NO INFORMATION HAS BEEN PROVIDED ABOUT THE LOCATION OR THE EXACT HEIGHT THAT IS

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IT SHOWS THE TREES IN THE AREA.

NOT ONLY THAT, BUT CONTRARY TO ATTORNEY FINGER STATEMENTS, WE HAVE PROVIDED AN EXPERTLY PREPARED PHOTO RENDERING FROM ROGERS MECHANIC ARCHITECTS THAT SHOWS WHERE THE POLES WILL BE AND HOW TALL THEY'LL BE, AND WHAT THE NETTING WILL LOOK LIKE IN BETWEEN.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME SHE SAID THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT KEEPS COMING UP.

UH, IT'S BECOMING APPARENT THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE SPEAKING ARE EITHER IGNORING OR CHOOSING NOT TO REVIEW THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR SOME MONTHS.

NOW, THOSE RENDERINGS ARE MONTHS OLD.

UM, THE IDEA THAT 90 FEET IS THE TALLEST STRUCTURE IN GREENBURG IS AGAIN, I THINK A BIT SILLY.

AS WE'VE NOTED MANY TIMES OVER, THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THESE POLES RELATIVE TO OTHER PROPERTIES IS NOT 90 FEET FROM THE BASE OF THE DRIVING RANGE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH TOPOGRAPHY SLOPING DOWNHILL TOWARDS EAST HARSDALE AVENUE.

AND IN FACT, THE LONGEST POLE, THE 90 FOOT POLE, SITS FAIRLY WELL BELOW THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE 75 FOOT SHORTER POLES.

AGAIN, THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE UNIQUE TOPOGRAPHY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AND THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT WE'VE DESIGNED TO IN AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE NEIGHBOR SAFETY.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, AGAIN, THIS WAS DISCUSSED.

WE'RE NOT INCREASING MEMBERSHIP.

ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE CAN PLAY IN THE BUBBLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

THE IDEA THAT IT'S A CHANGE OF USE IS LUDICROUS.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS BUBBLE ISN'T CREATING A NEW TENNIS USE.

IT'S BEING INSTALLED OVER EXISTING TENNIS COURTS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

THE IDEA THAT THIS IS A CHANGE OF USE IS PATENTLY FALSE.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY DETERMINED BY THE TOWN THAT SPECIAL PERMIT USE, UH, APPLICATION WAS NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LONGSTANDING USE OF THE CLUB'S PROPERTY.

UH, AGAIN, E I S IS A TERM OF ART.

IT WAS DETERMINED THAT AN E I S IS NOT REQUIRED FOR SUCH A MINIMUM PROJECT HERE.

THAT BEING SAID, YOU, THE BOARD AS LEAD AGENCY, TOOK A LONG HARD LOOK AT POTENTIAL IMPACTS.

YOU ISSUED A THOROUGH, WELL THOUGHT OUT NEGATIVE DECLARATION AFTER MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE STUDIED STORMWATER IN GREAT DEPTH.

YES, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE PARKING DISTRICT ALLEGED THAT THERE COULD BE IMPACTS.

SO WHAT DID WE DO AT, AT YOUR REQUEST? WE TOOK ALL OF OUR ENGINEERED PLANS, WE TOOK OUR SCRIPT, WE WENT TO YOUR TOWN ENGINEER.

HE REVIEWED EVERYTHING AND CAME BACK AND SAID, YES, YOU ARE RIGHT.

YOUR MATH CHECKS OUT.

YOUR PLANS CHECKOUT, YOUR FINDINGS ARE ACCURATE, THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE NO INCREASE RATE OF PEAK RUNOFF TO THE NEIGHBORING SITES.

AND IN FACT, WE ANTICIPATE AN OVERALL BENEFIT IN TERMS OF STORMWATER RUNOFF BECAUSE WE'RE INSTALLING STORMWATER MITIGATION SYSTEMS WHERE THERE CURRENTLY ARE NONE NEAR THE TENNIS COURTS.

SO THAT MEANS EVEN WHEN THE BUBBLE IS NOT UP, THERE WILL BE NEW STORM WATER MITIGATION MEASURES IN PLACE TO BETTER SERVE THE PROPERTIES DOWNHILL.

WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO STOP FLOODING.

EVERYONE HERE KNOWS THIS IS AN AREA OF HIGH FLOODING, BUT WHAT WE ARE TELLING YOU IS THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING THIS ANY WORSE.

AND IN FACT, WE MIGHT MAKE IT SLIGHTLY BETTER.

IT'S NOT GOING TO FIX YOUR PROBLEMS. WE KNOW THE TOWN BOARD'S WORKING ON THAT WITH ITS GRANT APPLICATIONS, BUT WE ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS BY TOWN CODE AND STATE CODE.

UH, AND I THINK MR. FLOCKO SAID IT BEST HIMSELF.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT EXPERT TESTIMONY.

THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE ENGINEERS STUDY.

AS WE'VE NOTED IN OUR WRITTEN MATERIALS, THIS HAS ALL BEEN GENERALIZED OPPOSITION AND SPECULATION.

WE'VE REACHED OUT TO OTHER ACTUAL CLUBS WITH LONGER TALLER NETTING THAN WHAT WE HAVE.

AND THEY CAME BACK AND TOLD US, AND THIS IS IN THE RECORD IN OUR WRITTEN MATERIALS, UNEQUIVOCALLY NO ISSUES WITH WILDLIFE, NO ISSUES WITH WEATHER.

MOST PEOPLE, AS ONE OF THE, I THINK IT WAS LEEWOOD SAID, DON'T EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO REFLECT ON THE EXPERT EVIDENCE THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK BACK ON THE THOROUGH REVIEW YOU DID FOR YOUR NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

UM, I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, UH, BUT WE'LL HAVE AN, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.

AS WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE WE COULD ONLY CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH TIME TO IT THIS EVENING.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WISH TO, UH, VOICE THEIR, UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME, MADAM CHAIR.

IT LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS A QUESTION.

SURE, SURE.

WE DIDN'T GET TO THAT YET.

I HAVE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, ONE IS, UM, HAS THE CLUB LOOKED INTO, AND HERE I HAVE MY LITTLE CROPS, THE, UM, NEW GOLF BALLS THAT ARE USED FOR DRIVING RANGES, IN FACT, WHERE I'M A MEMBER, UM, THAT GO 30% LESS FAR.

AND, UH, AND THOSE HAVE BEEN IN MANY

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CLUBS NOW ARE USING GOLF BALLS IN THE DRIVING RANGES THAT DON'T GO SO FAR IN ADDITION TO MANY OF THE GOLF CLUBS ARE NOW SAYING YOU CAN'T USE LONGER DISTANCE CLUBS.

AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SAYING YOU LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES.

SO I JUST, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN ANYTHING THAT YOU WROTE UP.

THE OTHER THING IS, I HAD A BIT OF CONFUSION THAT ONE OF THE PEOPLE MENTIONED THERE'S ALL THIS TALK ABOUT THE TREE LINE AND THE IMPACT OF THE FENCE, BUT I LOOKED REALLY CAREFULLY AT THE PLAN TODAY AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY DISCUSSION OF THE FACT OF THE 19 TREES THAT ARE BEING CUT DOWN WHERE THE TREE WHERE THE FENCE IS GOING.

SO I CAN, AND I WAS CURIOUS OF WHAT CONS WHERE THAT WOULD BE, WHERE THE 19 TREES ARE BEING CUT DOWN AND HOW THAT'S WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WAS.

'CAUSE I COULDN'T FIND THAT IN THE DOCUMENTS.

UH, SO I'LL TAKE THOSE IN ORDER AND I MAY DEFER HERE, THERE, IT'S TO BILL MENARD, THE MANAGER, OR MATT OR, UH, EXCUSE ME, ZACH PEARSON, THE ENGINEER ON CERTAIN ISSUES.

UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CLUB IS USING REDUCED FLIGHT BALLS.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT A 20% REDUCTION ALREADY.

UH, AND EVEN WITH THOSE REDUCE REDUCED FLIGHT BALLS, SOME ARE MAKING IT OFF THE SITE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA MITIGATE.

UH, SO IT IS SOMETHING THEY, THEY'VE NOT ONLY CONSIDERED BUT IMPLEMENTED AND, AND IT'S, WE THINK IT COULD BE IMPROVED UPON.

UH, AS FAR AS THE TREES, THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NETTING DIAGRAM WITH THE, UH, HIGHLIGHTED RED POLES, IT DOES IN FACT SHOW THE TREES TO BE REMOVED.

AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD A CERTIFIED ARBORIST COME OUT TO THE SITE.

THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE TREES, THEY'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH THE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER, UH, AND THEY'VE CLASSIFIED THOSE TREES AS BEING IN QUITE POOR HEALTH.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE VERY LITTLE ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND CERTAINLY ZACH CAN APPLY ON THAT A LITTLE FURTHER.

UH, BUT ALL OF THAT'S PART OF THE TREE REMOVAL PERMIT APPLICATION THAT WE SUBMITTED, UH, WHICH I BELIEVE IS REFERENCED IN YOUR NEGATIVE DECLARATION.

MR. KIRKPATRICK, JOHN MALONEY.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO CASE 2215.

CAN I JUST RESPOND TO ONE, ONE THING THAT WAS SAID ABOUT THESE TREES? UH, SIR, WE'RE MOVING ON.

UM, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

MADAM CHAIR, I'LL DEFER TO YOU.

I SAID IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THROUGH THE OTHER CASES, WE CAN COME BACK, BUT I DON'T WANT TO.

I GOT IT.

MOVING ON TO CASE 2215, MION WOODS, L L C PROPERTY AT 1 52 RIDGE ROAD.

WHO'S HERE? UM, JOHN KIRKPATRICK.

I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT, YES.

I'M THE TREASURER OF MARION WOODS AND A BOARD MEMBER.

MICHAEL, LET'S JUST SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

UH, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.

SO, UH, JOHN MALONEY'S INTRODUCED HIMSELF.

I WANNA POINT OUT WE ALSO HAVE, UH, GENE GILLIGAN, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF MARION WOODS, UH, AS WELL AS MICHAEL MULLIN.

UH, THE ARCHITECT, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, IS A REQUEST FOR A FEW VARIANCES TO ALLOW SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY SO THAT, UH, MARION WOODS CAN SELL THE MANSION.

UM, THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP AFTER OUR LAST PRESENTATION HAVE SHOWN US, UH, THAT WE NEGLECTED TO TALK MORE FULLY ABOUT A, A KEY ISSUE HERE.

WHAT THE SISTERS OF MARION WOODS ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO CREATE A SEPARATE LOT THAT WOULD ENABLE THEM THEN TO SELL THIS OLD MANSION AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXISTING ZONING, AND THEREFORE GUARANTEE ITS PRESERVATION.

IT'S A GREAT OLD HOUSE.

UH, IT'S ABOUT 110 YEARS OLD.

IT'S NOT DISCUSSED IN THE LARSON FISHER REPORT THAT WAS DONE FOR THE LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

UH, IT'S ONLY LISTED IN THAT APPENDIX, BUT IT'S STILL A GREAT OLD HOUSE.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT BECAME VACANT, UH, IN 2014, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.

THE SISTERS OF MERCY WHO WERE USING IT NO LONGER NEEDED IT.

SO THE SISTERS OF MARION WOODS, UH, WHICH IS THE CONSORTIUM, UH, THAT RUNS THE RETIREMENT RESIDENCE BEHIND IT.

THE SISTERS OF MARION WOODS HAVE BEEN TRYING SINCE THEN TO FIND ANOTHER RELIGIOUS OR NOT-FOR-PROFIT OCCUPANT, UH, THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

SO THEY'RE FACED WITH THE THEREFORE NEED TO EITHER SELL THE HOUSE OR DEMOLISH IT.

NOW, IN ORDER TO

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SELL IT, THEY NEED TO PUT IT ONTO A SEPARATE LOT, BECAUSE IT WILL NOW BE A TAXABLE PROPERTY, WHICH MARION WOODS IS NOT AS A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.

SO THE MANSION WOULD THEN BECOME A TAXABLE PROPERTY, BUT THE SISTERS CAN'T CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT AS AN EMPTY SHELL.

NOW, AS A RELIGIOUS ENTITY, THEY MEET THE SPECIAL NEEDS SECTION OF THE TOWN CODE IF THEY NEEDED TO DEMOLISH IT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

WHAT THEY WANNA DO IS TO SELL IT TO A SINGLE FAMILY OWNER WHO WOULD THEN, OF COURSE, APPEAR BEFORE THE HISTORIC, UH, AND LANDMARKS PRESERVATION BOARD.

UH, TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, YOU HAVE ASKED US TO, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE HISTORIC AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD.

UH, WE DID THE FIRST PART, WHICH WAS FILLING OUT THEIR QUESTIONNAIRE.

UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF OBTAINING THAT.

AND WE'LL OF COURSE PASS ALL OF THAT ON TO THE FAMILY THAT BUYS THE HOUSE SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE THAT COORDINATION AND PROPERLY PRESERVE THE HOUSE.

WE UNDERSTAND WE RECEIVED A VERY POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, WHICH IS LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISION.

UH, WHEN WE APPEARED BEFORE THEM, THEY WERE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR FOR PROCEEDING THE SUBDIVISION AND THE VARIANCES AND ALL OF THAT WILL ALLOW THE SALE AND PRESERVATION TO HAPPEN.

SO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU IS REALLY JUST TO CONSIDER THE VARIOUS STANDARDS OF THE STATE LAW FOR THE AREA VARIANCES THAT WE ARE REQUESTING.

NOW, I CAN SPEAK OF THOSE AFTER.

UM, MICHAEL ELLI EXPLAINS THE SITE PLAN.

UH, MICHAEL, CAN YOU TAKE OVER FROM HERE AND, UH, SHOW THE SITE PLAN, INCLUDING THE PARKING, WHICH ANSWERS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT THE ZONING COURT RAISED? I CAN, UH, SO IF I'M ALLOWED TO SHARE MY SCREEN, I WILL DO SO.

PLEASE DO YOU, UH, SO BEFORE, YOU SHOULD SEE THE ENTIRE LOT.

THIS IS AN 11 ACRE LOT.

UM, MARION WOODS HAS A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY IN THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS BUILT NEW.

THERE WAS ANOTHER OUTBUILDING THAT WAS PART OF THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS ACQUIRED.

AND THIS IS THE COOL LOCK HOUSE.

THIS IS THE MANSION THAT'S ON THE SITE.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPOSED PROPERTY LINE TAKES, UH, ONE ACRE SITE OUT OF THE 11 ACRES.

SO THAT PRESERVES 10 ACRES FOR MARION WOODS, WHICH IS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR A LOT WITH THIS KIND OF FUNCTION IN THIS KIND OF ZONE.

UH, WE, IT'S A FLAG SITE.

SO THE DRIVEWAY, UM, MARION WOODS HAS A RIGHT TO, UH, RIGHT OF WAY TO COME ACROSS THE PARK AND THEN INTO THEIR PROPERTY, AND THEN EXIT FROM THIS PROPERTY HERE.

THIS HOUSE WOULD ALSO HAVE AN EASEMENT ACROSS THESE LANES, UH, TO ENTER AND EXIT.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE ON THE STREET, IT HAS ACCESS.

UH, THE LACK OF FRONTAGE IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

UH, CLOSE UP, UH, LET'S SEE.

I'LL GO TO THIS ONE THEN CLOSE UP.

UM, ACTUALLY THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHICH IS A, UH, ONE ACRE LOT, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF SCREENING.

THE, UM, THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE MANSION, SO THERE WOULD BE NO, LET'S SAY HISTORICAL REQUIREMENT.

UH, FOR THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE EXTERIOR, WE'RE NOT DEMOLISHING, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ELSE.

THE ONLY CHANGES WE'RE DOING ARE TO THE SITE TO FACILITATE ITS USE AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

SO WITH THE PROPERTY LINE BEING HERE, CUTTING OFF THE ACCESS TO THIS LANE, WE'RE CREATING A SPACE FOR TWO, UH, PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY AND ADDING SOME, UH, SCREENING WITH PLANTS ALONG THE EDGE TO CREATE A LITTLE MORE PRIVACY.

UH, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WERE VISITORS? WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? WELL, THERE ARE EXISTING RIGHT ACROSS, UH, THE EXIT LANE FROM THE BUILDING, ABOUT FIVE SPACES HERE.

SO IT WOULD BE A NATURAL PLACE FOR ANYONE VISITING THIS HOUSE TO PARK, UH, NEARBY.

AND MARION WOULD BE HAPPY TO GRANT THE OWNERS THAT PERMISSION.

SO, UM, THE OTHER VARIANCES WE'RE LOOKING FOR ARE THE ISSUE OF THE SIDE SETBACK.

AS WE EXPLAINED LAST TIME IN THIS SHADED AREA, YOU SEE THE REQUEST WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS FIRST, UM, GRANTED ITS SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

UH, THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT FUTURE POTENTIAL PARKING PROVIDED ON, UH, BE PROVIDED ON SITE IN CASE THE ZONING OR THE PLANNING BOARD DEEMED ADDITIONAL PARKING HAD TO BE ADDED.

AND THAT'S THAT SHADED AREA HERE.

AND TO PRESERVE THAT, UH, WE THEN BRING OUR SIDE SET BACK ANGLED ACROSS TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T INTERFERE WITH THAT POTENTIAL RE REQUEST.

SO THAT REQUIRES

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A SIDE SETBACK BECAUSE THIS AREA IS NOT, UM, 18 FEET AWAY FROM THE EDGE.

AND THEN OVERALL, THE HOUSE IS, IS LARGE.

UH, AND SO, UH, THERE'S A FLOOR AREA RATIO REQUIREMENT.

IT EXCEEDS THE PERMITTED FLOOR AREA RATIO FOR A LOT THIS SIZE.

AS I NOTED, WE REALLY CAN'T MAKE THE LOT ANY BIGGER BECAUSE THEN SUDDENLY THE MARION WOODS LOT BECOMES NON-COMPLIANT.

SO INSTEAD WE'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE THAT WOULD PERMIT THE HOUSE TO BE ON THIS SITE.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

LEMME UM, UH, JUMP IN AND, UH, JUST, JUST SAY THAT, UH, AGAIN, UM, UH, WE'RE BEFORE YOU, UM, FOR AREA VARIANCES.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT, UH, UH, THE ISSUE IS TO CONSIDER THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED, UH, IS WEIGHED AGAINST THE DETRIMENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT, IS THERE GONNA BE AN UNDESIRABLE CHANGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? AS ONE OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS POINTED OUT, NOBODY'S ANYWHERE NEAR THIS HOUSE.

UH, SO IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT ANY NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, MAYBE, UH, THIS PROPERTY, THIS HOUSE WAS USED FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS BY THE SISTERS OF MERCY, UH, FOR THEIR OFFICES.

SO THEY AND THEIR EMPLOYEES WERE IN AND OUT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UH, NOW IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE WITH LESS TRAFFIC.

UM, AND OF COURSE THE ISSUE IS THIS SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO INSTEAD OF GOING FOR VARIANCES? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAD QUITE A FEW DISCUSSIONS WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TOWN PLANNER.

WE, UH, WE HAD, UH, TRAFFIC ISSUES LOOKED AT, AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY OTHER WAY, UH, THAT WE COULD, UH, SELL OFF THIS HOUSE, UM, PUT IT BACK IN THE TAX ROLLS, HAVE IT PRESERVED, UH, IN OTHER, OTHER THAN THIS SUBDIVISION, UH, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY NEEDS THE VARIANCES.

THE VARIANCES ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL IN ORDER TO EFFECTIVELY MAKE ANY CHANGE IN ANYTHING.

YOU SEE, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS SELF-CREATED BY THE SISTERS.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST STUCK WITH.

BUT I ALSO WANTED TO, WANTED TO POINT OUT IN CLOSING, UM, THAT NO FURTHER SUBDIVISION IS POSSIBLE.

THE MANSION WILL BE ON A LOT THAT JUST BARELY MEETS MINIMUM LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS.

AND THE SISTERS' RETIREMENT RESIDENCE WILL LIKEWISE BE JUST MEETING THE MINIMUM LOT AREA OF 10 ACRES FOR THAT.

SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH THE END OF THE LINE HERE, AND WE HOPE THAT, UH, YOU AGREE, UH, THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO PRESERVE THIS GRAND OLD HOUSE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

DOES THE BOARD WANNA ASK QUESTIONS NOW OR DO YOU WANNA HEAR FROM WHOEVER IS PRESENTING ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS? ALL RIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS? YES, GO AHEAD, SIR.

YEAH, HOLD ON.

I, I HAVE A LIST HERE.

IF, IF IT'S OKAY, UH, MADAM CHAIR, IF I COULD JUST GO OFF THE LIST 'CAUSE I'M KEEPING TRACK.

UH, AND I, I SEE MR. BLAND THERE, UH, AARON HART.

S BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STATEMENT IN THE APPLICATION IS, IS SIMPLY INADEQUATE.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GENERAL TONE OF THE APPLICATION, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE SITUATION THAT THE SISTERS ARE IN.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S A LOT TO MAINTAIN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SEEM TO BE STUCK BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THIS WONDERFUL OLD HOUSE THAT YOU WISH TO PRESERVE.

WHAT I NEED TO POINT OUT WHAT I, IF NO, FOR NO OTHER REASON WOULD LIKE ON THE RECORD, IS THAT THIS HOUSE EXISTS WITHIN A NATURE PRESERVE.

AND WHILE THERE'S ALL THIS EMPHASIS ON PRESERVING THE STRUCTURE, I'VE NOT HEARD ANY DIALOGUE WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE EMPHASIS ON PRESERVING THE NATURE PRESERVE, WHICH IS AROUND IT.

AND YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE TO SUBDIVIDE THIS ANY FURTHER.

AND SIR, I, I'M SORRY TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S DEMONSTRABLY FALSE.

IT'S, THERE HAVE BEEN LOTS IN THIS TOWN THAT HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED FURTHER, MUCH SMALLER THAN THE PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DISCUSSED.

AND I AM A, A RESIDENT OF MAPLE AVENUE.

I PURCHASED MY PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS ON THIS PRESERVE, WHICH COULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED IN PERPETUITY.

AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A TREND THAT WE WILL SEE OF FURTHER SUBDIVISION.

I DO NOT BEGRUDGE THEM THEIR RIGHTS NOT AN INCH.

I SIMPLY NEED TO STATE MY DEEP CONCERN REGARDING THE INTEGRITY AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE NATURE PRESERVE THAT SURROUNDS THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT, IF ANYTHING, IS BEING DONE TO AT LEAST CONDUCT A PROPER E I

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UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE STATE MANDATES A FULL-BLOWN E I S, BUT I, I THINK THAT GIVEN THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ABUTTING AND PRESERVED THAT THE APPLICANT SEEKS TO COMPLETELY REMOVE A BUFFER ZONE FROM, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT, AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE ZONING BOARD CAN, CAN DO TO REASSURE US AS RESIDENTS WHO, FOR WHOM THE PRESERVE IS VERY MUCH A FEATURE AND A REASON WE LIVE HERE, UM, WHAT THEY PLAN TO DO TO PROTECT THAT AND ENSURE THAT THIS IS NOT JUST THE BEGINNING OF SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BECOME AN ONGOING ISSUE.

UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I'M HERE TO TELL YOU.

SO THERE'S, THERE'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF ANYTHING WITHIN THE PRESERVE BECOMES DEVELOPABLE AND, UM, NOT JUST TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT TO SOMETHING THAT WE ALL VALUE VERY, VERY DEEPLY.

SO, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS AS NON-CONTENTIOUS AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE, BECAUSE AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION THAT THE SISTERS ARE IN.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK, SINCE THE CREATION OF THE PRESERVE WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN, TO WHAT EXTENT ARE THE TOWN, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE, UM, NECESSARILY INVOLVED IN THE DECISION TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITHIN? THAT'S REALLY THE THRUST OF MY, MY DEEPEST CONCERNS, AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD GIVE US SOME INSIGHT.

UH, MARK? YEAH, HI, UH, I LIVE RIGHT DOWN ON THE BLOCK FROM AARON, AND I ALSO SHARE SIMILAR CONCERNS, AND WE SPOKE EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT THAT, UH, WHY WOULD THERE BE NO, UH, FURTHER SUBDIVISION IN THAT, UH, LOT? I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I THINK IF YOU COULD FURTHER, UH, EXPLAIN THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.

UH, ALSO, UM, WHEN I SPOKE WITH ERIN, SHE MENTIONED THAT THE INTERSECTION OF HILLCREST AND, AND RIDGE RECEIVED AN F RATING.

AND, UH, NOW I'M TOLD THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ADVERSE TRAFFIC IMPACT, BUT THAT BUILDING'S NOT BEING USED AT ALL NOW FOR WHAT I SEE.

AND IF YOU HAVE A, A, A HOUSE THERE WHERE PEOPLE ARE REGULARLY COMING IN AND OUT, IT'S GOING TO NATURALLY ADD TO THE TRAFFIC.

THAT'S ALREADY A HORRIBLE SITUATION.

I'M, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER I'VE LIVED HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, MAGICALLY A STOP SIGN APPEARED AT THE TOP OF HILLCREST AND AND RIDGE.

WHY, UH, WAS THIS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS? UH, UH, IT'S, IT'S AMAZING THE CAR ZOOMING THROUGH THAT, THAT INTERSECTION, ALL THESE YEARS, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW THAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS BEING DEVELOPED, I SEE THIS, UH, THE STOP SIGN, BRAVO, THAT YOU DID THIS, BUT, BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN, UH, THERE, THERE WAS THIS GREAT INTEREST IN, IN PROTECTING, UH, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, AND AND LASTLY, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A, A, A PATHWAY RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY LOT, I BELIEVE THAT LEADS TO INGRESS, TO A TRAIL.

WILL THAT BE AFFECTED BY THIS, UH, BY THIS LOT.

UH, WE USE THAT, THAT TRAIL ALL THE TIME TO GO, TO GO HOME FROM, FROM, UH, THE, THE NATURE PRESERVE.

AND, AND I'M CURIOUS TO SEE IF, UH, THAT, THAT'S GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

IS, AND IS THE MAZE GOING TO BE PART OF THE LOT? I THINK IT IS, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MAZE.

AND, AND I, I, I'M JUST NOW CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER THAT'S NOW BEING NEWS AS A, UH, PRIVATE RESIDENCE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OF CREATING A PRIVATE RESIDENCE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, THIS LARGE PRESERVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND JUST FOR EVERYONE'S REFERENCE, UH, TYPICALLY THE APPLICANT WILL BE TAKING NOTES AND WILL RESPOND, UM, COLLECTIVELY, UH, AT THE, AT THE, AT THE CONCLUSION OF, OF PUBLIC COMMENT AND, AND THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS.

UH, JIM BLAND, THANK YOU, GARRETT.

UH, AND I'M, I A HOLDOVER FROM THE LAST, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM REGARDING THE, THE, THE NETTING AND FENCES AT THE GOLF COURSE.

BUT, UH, WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT, UH, I WAS INTERESTED BECAUSE I WALK AT HARTSBURG EVERY DAY.

I, I WALK MY DOGS THERE AND, AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, UH, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE, UH, HARTSBURG PRESERVE AND, AND THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL OLD HOUSE.

I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED HOW IT COULD BE PUT, UH, PUT TO A GOOD PURPOSE.

UM, I, AS THE GENTLEMAN JUST WAS DESCRIBING, THERE IS A TRAIL THAT COMES UP KIND OF, UH, ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS PROPERTY AT THAT, UH, UH, LABYRINTH OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, MAZE, WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BRICK THING WHERE YOU, YOU WALK AROUND IN, IN A CIRCLE, BASICALLY.

UM, THIS SOUNDS LIKE A VERY FLAWED IDEA TO ME, UH, TO, UH, EVEN THE IDEA

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IT'S ALREADY A VERY CONFUSED SPACE BECAUSE OF, UM, UH, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH, UH, UH, THE CONVENT OR WHATEVER.

UH, AND I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY ANYONE WOULD CONSIDER BUYING THIS PROPERTY AS A PRIVATE RESIDENCE, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE GONNA WALK THROUGH THIS YARD ALL THE TIME WITH MY DOGS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE, I THINK THE WAY THE COMMUNITY VIEWS IS IT, IS IT'S PUBLIC PROPERTY.

AND, UM, SO THIS IS A VERY CONFUSED IDEA.

AND I THINK, UH, BILL CONSIDERED, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MUCH MORE ABOUT WHAT THE RIGHTS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE.

MEANING CAN THE PROPERTY OWNER KEEP, UM, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING, WALKING THEIR DOGS OFF OF, UH, THEIR PROPERTY? WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO? PUT UP FENCES, PUT UP, UH, HEDGES THAT KEEP PEOPLE OUT? IS THAT, IS THIS GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE FORTRESS WITHIN SIDE, UH, HARTSBURG PRESERVE? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY BAD IDEA.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I JUST HEARD ABOUT IT FIVE MINUTES AGO.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M JUST SAYING, I LOVE THE HARTSBURG PRESERVE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL OLD HOUSE.

I AGREE.

IT WOULD BE NICE TO PUT IT TO SOME GOOD PURPOSE.

UH, BUT I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT WAS THE OBJECTIVE? WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE OF WHAT MARION WOODS IS TRYING TO DO WITH, WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTIVE? ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN? ARE YOU TRYING TO PRESERVE THE HOUSE? WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE? THANK YOU.

UH, MEL GARNER.

SIR, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

YOU HOLD THE SPACE BAR OR CLICK THE, UH, UNMUTE BUTTON IN THE UPPER RIGHT OF YOUR BOX, AND, OH, THERE YOU GO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE CAN.

PERHAPS THE GENTLEMAN WHO REPRESENT THE NUNS COULD MEET WITH A COUPLE OF US NEIGHBORS.

MY NAME IS PAT GARNER, AND WE LIVE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT USED TO BE THE GEMAN ESTATE.

IN THE YEAR 2000, WE FORMED A COMMITTEE TO SAVE THAT PROPERTY FROM WHAT THEY WANNA DO.

I SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NUNS, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE A PASSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY, NOT TO EVER BE DEVELOPED.

NOW, WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, 132 ACRES, THE NUNS CAME TO US AND ASKED US FOR A SMALL PIECE SO THEY COULD BUILD A RETIREMENT HOME.

AT THAT TIME, MRS. GEMAN, WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY, LEFT AND MOVED UP TO HER PROPERTY IN NEW HAMPSHIRE.

THEREFORE, WE DECIDED TO GIVE THE NUNS A PIECE OF THE PROPERTY SO THEY COULD BUILD THEIR RETIREMENT HOME.

BUT IT WAS ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO BE A PASSIVE PARK.

NO SWIMMING POOLS, NO SOCCER GAMES, NO BASEBALL TEAMS, NO FOOTBALL GAMES.

YOU HAVE RIDGE ROAD PARK FOR ALL OF THAT.

I AM VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE TO SAVE THE GUYMAN ESTATE.

WE HAVEN'T MET IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE A REASON TO.

I, I SYMPATHIZE VERY MUCH WITH THE NUNS, AND I, I UNDERSTAND THEIR PREDICAMENT, BUT AS THE LADY BEFORE ON NAPLES SAID, YOU DON'T WANT TO START SOMETHING, YOU TWO GENTLEMEN, WE DEALT WITH THE ATTORNEYS FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHEN WE WERE BUYING THIS PROPERTY.

AND THE PROPERTY DOESN'T JUST BELONG TO GREENBURG, IT BELONGS TO THE STATE, THE COUNTY, AND THE TOWN.

WE HAD TO RAISE $8 MILLION TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.

GREENBURG SERVICES, IT SNOWPLOWING, THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S EQUALLY OWNED BY THE STATE AND THE COUNTY.

SO THEY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED IN WHAT THEY THINK.

BUT AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE THAT SAVED THE GEMAN ESTATE, I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT IF YOU, I FEEL THAT IF YOU START LETTING THEM SUBDIVIDE AND BUILD, YOU ARE CREATING A SITUATION 10 YEARS FROM NOW THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS GOING TO COME ALONG AND SAY, WOW, LOOK AT ALL THIS LAND.

WELL, LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH THIS.

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WALK US THROUGH AND SHOW US WHAT IT IS YOU'RE ACTUALLY REALLY TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THE GRID THAT YOU HAD UP THERE, I, I REA I'M A VISUAL PERSON.

I WOULD RATHER JUST WALK ACROSS RIDGE ROAD FROM MY HOUSE, WALK THROUGH THE GATES, AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MADAM CHAIR, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY, I IS, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY OTHER SPEAKERS.

UH, IF THERE ARE, NOW'S THE TIME TO, UH, LET US KNOW.

EITHER MUTE YOUR MIC OR WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD.

I SEE THIS, SUSAN, I BELIEVE IS LOOKING TO SPEAK THERE, UH, WITH YOUR HAND RAISED.

HI, HEAR ME? YES.

UM, I, I WAS ALSO ON THE COMMITTEE TO SAVE THE GUYMAN ESTATE.

UM, AND, UM, UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE NOT , BUT, UM, I, I HOPE SOMEBODY IS LOOKING INTO THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT TO SEE WHAT IS PERMITTED, UM, IN THIS, IN THIS KIND OF CASE.

'CAUSE I, I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE NO DEVELOPMENT PERMITTED OR ANY SUBDIVISION.

UM, ONE, ONE OF THE ISSUES AT THE TIME WAS THAT THE, THE TOWN DID NOT WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT HOUSE.

AND SO THEY WERE, THAT'S WHY THEY WERE HAPPY TO, UH, LET THE NUNS HAVE IT .

UM, BUT ANYWAY, I THINK, HAS ANYBODY LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT TO SEE IF THIS IS PERMITTED? WE'LL HAVE TO FIND OUT.

THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

UH, WE MAY NEED, UM, SUSAN'S LAST NAME AND, UH, OH, I'M SORRY.

UH, SUSAN EBERHART, E B E R H A R D T.

UM, I, I LIVE AT 22 MAPLE AVENUE, WHICH IS, UM, NEXT DOOR TO THE, TO THE PARK.

AND I BEL, I THOUGHT I SAW MR. GOLDBERG'S HAND UP.

UM, IT'S NO LONGER UP.

SO, UH, SIR, DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YES, THANK YOU.

I'M JUST GONNA BE VERY BRIEF.

UM, I JUST WANNA COMMENT ABOUT FIRST, YOU KNOW, I TAKE EXCEPTION TO HAVING MY COMMENTS BEING CALLED SILLY.

THE REMOVAL OF 19 TREES IS NOT, OH, SIR, WE'RE ONTO A DIFFERENT TOPIC.

THIS IS, UH, THE, THE COMMENTS ARE ONLY ALLOWED FOR THE TOPIC AT HAND.

SO THIS IS MARION WOODS.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS, MADAM CHAIR.

SO IT'S REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE PUBLIC, AND WE WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT, MUCH APPRECIATE IT IF PEOPLE WOULD THOUGHT.

DOES THE APPLICANT WISH TO RESPOND AT THIS TIME OR NOT? UH, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

UH, WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, I DID IN FACT REPRESENT THE ARCHDIOCESE, UH, AT THE TIME THAT IT OWNED THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND WORKED OUT THE, UH, PRESERVE WITH THE, UM, COUNTY AND THE TOWN AND THE STATE.

UH, SO I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH IT.

UM, AND OF COURSE, HARBURG PRESERVE, UH, IS A PARK.

IT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED.

IT CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED.

IT IS TOTALLY PROTECTED.

UM, THE PIECE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT PIECE OF PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT SITS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.

AND AS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE POINTED OUT, THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

MRS. GEISSMAN WANTED TO BE SURE, UH, THAT THE SISTERS WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD A RETIREMENT HOME.

AND AS SOMEONE ELSE POINTED OUT, THE TOWN DIDN'T REALLY WANT THE MAN.

SO, UH, THE, THE SISTERS HAVEN'T AND HAVE TRIED TO MAKE USE OF IT.

SO, POSING, UH, TAKES THE PROPERTY OF MARION WOODS AND DIVIDES IT, BUT IT DIVIDES IT INTO THE MINIMUM SIZE LOTS THAT ARE ALLOWED.

THE RETIREMENT RESIDENCE BY ZONING HAS TO BE ON 10 ACRES.

MANSION BY ZONING HAS TO BE ON ONE ACRE.

I CAN'T PROMISE YOU THAT NO ONE WILL EVER COME TO YOUR BOARD IN ES FOR A VARIANCE, BUT IT DOES SEEM PRETTY DARN UNLIKELY BECAUSE WE'RE CREATING A LANDLOCKED LOT, A LOT THAT HAS NO FRONTAGE.

I, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT COULD BE PART, IT COULD BE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED.

I, WITH REGARD TO THE TRAIL AND THE MAIZE, I MUST UNFORTUNATELY POINT OUT THAT THE TRAIL IS ON THE PARK PROPERTY, BUT THE MAIZE IS ON THE SISTER'S PROPERTY, AND IT'S ACTUALLY, YOU CALL IT A MAZE.

IT, IT'S ACTUALLY A MEMORIAL GARDEN OF VARIOUS SISTERS WHO PASSED AWAY.

THE STONES ARE MARKED WITH THEIR NAMES.

UH,

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AND AS, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY NEIGHBORS OF THIS, THIS PARK HAS ALWAYS BEEN INTENDED TO BE PASSIVE, NOT DEVELOPED.

IT CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED.

IT'S A PARK.

UM, PARKS ARE VERY PROTECTED UNDER STATE LAW.

UM, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE IS TO TRY AND TAKE A HOUSE THAT'S THERE.

IT'S ALMOST 110 YEARS OLD.

IT WOULD BE A CRYING SHAME TO TEAR IT DOWN.

UM, AND WHAT THE SISTERS WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT IT'S PRESERVED AND SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

AND OF COURSE, WHAT'S BEFORE YOUR BOARD, UH, IS TO DECIDE THOSE STANDARDS THAT ARE SET BY STATE LAW FOR AREA OF VARIANCE.

DOES THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT OUTWEIGH THE DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THERE IS NO DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THE PLANNING BOARD HAS GIVEN YOU A VERY POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, AND HAVE THEMSELVES MADE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ALREADY UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT, FINDING THERE'S NO NEED FOR AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.

THERE'S NO EFFECT ON THE PARK, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO WHAT EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY.

IT'S JUST CHANGING IT FOR AN OFFICE BUILDING WITH THE, WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT USED TO BE THERE AT WOULD BE THERE INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, THAT WOULD'VE MUCH LESS IMPACT.

SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, JOHN, I MAY JUST ADD, UH, AUGMENT A FEW OTHER THINGS.

UH, THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE? THE OBJECTIVE IS TO, THE BUILDING AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, IS A FINANCIAL LIABILITY TO THE SISTERS.

AND THEY'RE EITHER FACED WITH MAINTAINING A BUILDING THEY CAN'T USE OR KNOCK IT DOWN.

SO THE OBJECTIVE OF SELLING IT WOULD BE TO HELP PRESERVE THE BUILDING AS, UM, SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE KNOCKED DOWN BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A NICE BUILDING.

AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WHO WOULD BUY IT? WELL, WE, THE, UH, SISTERS ACTUALLY HAD A PROSPECTIVE BUYER WHO WAS, UH, THEY WERE IN DISCUSSION WITH.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS PROCESS WAS INITIATED.

SO, UH, IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF BUYER, BUT THERE, IF THERE'S ONE OUT THERE, THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE.

SO THERE MUST BE SOME SORT OF MARKET FOR IT.

UM, JUST ON TO JOHN'S STATEMENT ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, JUST FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION, IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORM, UM, WE ARE REDUCING THE TRAFFIC FROM ITS PEAK USE.

SO AT THE TIME, THAT BUILDING HAD ABOUT 20, OR, UH, OR SO PEOPLE WORKING IN IT.

THE LOT WAS SIZED AND THE PARKING WAS SIZED WITH THAT IN MIND.

SO WE ARE, BY SELLING IT, AND NO LONGER USING IT AS AN OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH WE STILL POTENTIALLY COULD DO, MOVE IN 20 PEOPLE TOMORROW AND START USING IT, UH, BY MAKING IT A HOUSE, WE'RE REDUCING THE TRAFFIC.

UM, WE'RE REDUCING THE USE OF THE SITE.

AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING ANY PHYSICAL CHANGES, CARRYING UP A LITTLE ASPHALT TO PUT GRASS IN AND PUT A LITTLE MORE ASPHALT TO MAKE A PARKING, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE SITE CHANGES IS SO SMALL THAT NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT IS REQUIRED.

AND THEN FINALLY, UM, AS JOHN POINTED OUT, UM, ANY FUTURE ACTION AND, AND THEIR PLAN IS FOR MARION WOODS TO CONTINUE AND, AND THIS HOUSE TO BE A PRIVATE HOUSE, ANY FUTURE ACTIONS, IF YOU'RE AFRAID OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, WHICH STILL HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE ZONING BOARD FOR EVALUATION AT THAT TIME.

SO THAT'S HOW YOU CAN CONTROL ANY, UH, ASSUMED DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THERE'S NONE PLANNED.

WE SIMPLY WANNA BE ABLE TO SELL THE HOUSE AS A LOT SO THAT THE SISTERS DON'T HAVE TO BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE FINANCES OF MAINTAINING IT.

NOT REGULATED BY THE, UM, PARKLAND, UH, RESTRICTIONS ALL AROUND IT.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES, I, I SEEM TO BE THE BIG QUESTION.

I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED.

IF THE PERSON WHO WAS, WHO TOOK OVER THE SCREEN TO SHOW US THE PROPERTY COULD SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE THE DESIGNATED PROTECTED PARKLAND IS AND WHERE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY IS.

BECAUSE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY PRIVATE, A PROTECTED PARKLAND.

SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT PROTECTED PARKLAND IS.

SEE, YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO, UM, DISPLAY THE, UH, AERIAL PHOTO.

AND, UM, IF THE APPLICANT WANTS ME TO TAKE THIS DOWN AND THEY WANNA SHOW SOMETHING ELSE, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

OR IF YOU WANNA EXPLAIN USING THIS, UH, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY GOOD ILLUSTRATION.

SO YOU SEE IN THAT, UM, FLAG SHAPE AREA, UH, DELINEATED BY THE ORANGE LION, THAT'S THE PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE MION WOODS, UH, SISTERS.

AND THAT'S, UM, SO THAT'S

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YOU SEE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S HUNDREDS OF FEET FROM THE, UM, FROM THE RETIREMENT HOME TO ANY OTHER HOUSE.

SO THE ENTIRE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY PARKLAND, AND THAT'S THE PARKLAND THAT IS FOREVER PROTECTED.

SO NONE OF THAT WOULD CHANGE.

UM, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IN THE SMALL ORANGE.TO THE, UH, LITTLE HIGHER UP ON THE PROPERTY, YOU SEE WHERE THE COOL KOCH HOUSE IS, AND THAT'S THE HOUSE WHERE WE'RE SUBDIVIDING.

SO THE PARKLAND'S UNCHANGED, AND THERE'S QUITE A DISTANCE BETWEEN, UH, THIS PROPERTY AND NEIGHBORS BECAUSE OF THAT PARKLAND.

AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT, YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT COULD NOT, THE, THE OTHER 10 ACRES COULD NOT BE SUBDIVIDED BECAUSE THE CURRENT USE IS FOR THE MARRYING SISTER'S.

UM, USAGE, WERE THAT USAGE TO CHANGE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO, UH, FOLLOW THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.

IF THAT USE WERE TO CHANGE, WOULD THAT PRECIPITATE? DOES IT REVERT BACK TO, UM, SUBDIVIDED LAND? WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE APPLICATION IS.

THE SISTERS, UH, HAVE A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE THERE.

THIS GONNA BE A VERY LONG TERM NEED FOR A RETIREMENT RESIDENCE FOR, FOR SISTERS.

THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE SITUATIONS OF THE, UH, OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

UM, I MENTIONED THE 10 ACRES, BECAUSE WHEN WE CREATED THE RETIREMENT RESIDENCE IN 1999, UM, THAT WAS WHAT WAS PUT INTO THE TOWN ZONING WAS IT HAD TO BE OWNED A PROPERTY OF AT LEAST 10 ACRES, WHICH IT WILL BE.

I DON'T SEE THAT CHANGING.

AND THAT'S A BIG BUILDING.

IF YOU WANNA GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, UH, AIR PHOTO AGAIN, IF WE CAN SHOW THAT AGAIN.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE OUTLINE OF THE, UM, I THINK GARRETT'S ABOUT TO DO IT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT WHITE BUILDING THERE.

AND THEN AS MICHAEL POINTED OUT, THE LITTLE SORT OF ORANGE ROOF BUILDING, THAT'S THE MANSION, WHICH IS A BIG BUILDING BY ITSELF.

THE RETIREMENT RESIDENCE IS QUITE LARGE, QUITE LARGE.

I DON'T SEE THAT, UH, CHANGING IN OUR LIFETIMES.

AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP, HOW MANY SISTERS ARE AT THE RETIREMENT RESIDENCE? OH, I'M GONNA ASK JOHN IF HE KNOWS JOHN, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW 50? UH, THERE, THERE ARE 50 BEDS IN THE FACILITY, AND, UH, AT ANY GIVEN TIME, THERE MIGHT BE 47, 48 OF THEM OCCUPIED.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT THIS MOMENT IS FULLY OCCUPIED AND THERE'S, THERE'S A WAITING LIST.

BUT, UM, UM, THE, THE, THE NEED FOR THIS FACILITY IS ANTICIPATED TO GO ON FOR DECADES.

UH, AND SO THAT THERE'S VIRTUALLY NO PROSPECT THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE FURTHER SUBDIVIDED BECAUSE AS, UH, JOHN KIRKPATRICK SAID, WE MUST HAVE A 10 ACRE PARCEL FOR MARION WOODS.

UH, WHEN WE DID THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINAL, UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS, THAT WAS THE ONE CONSTANT THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE DID WITH THE LOT ON WHICH KULAK HOUSE WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAD 10 ACRES, A OF 10, AND THAT IS NOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I SEE A HAND.

YES, MS. GARNER, MADAM CHAIR.

THERE'S THREE, THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, SPEAKERS.

SO, UH, MS. GARNER, WE WENT THROUGH ALL OF THIS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, PLEASE START OVER.

WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

AND NOT A LOT OF WOMEN HAVE BECOME NUNS.

IN THE YEAR 2000, WHEN MRS. GEMAN LEFT THE PROPERTY, AND WE STARTED ALL OF THIS NEGOTIATION WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, WE WERE AFRAID OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENING.

WE DID NOT WANT TO SELL TO THE NUNS, BUT WE GAVE THEM, BECAUSE SOME OF US BEING CATHOLIC, ME ONE, WE FELT THEY NEEDED A RETIREMENT HOME.

LET'S THINK AHEAD, LET'S SAY 2030 COMES ALONG

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THE ONES THAT ARE THERE NOW HAVE DIED OUT, AND THEY SAY THEY CAN'T MAINTAIN THE BIG HOUSE AND THEY WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

WHAT HAPPENS THEN? OKAY, MA'AM, WAS THAT IT? THANK YOU.

UH, AARON HART.

I'M SORRY, I JUST, I JUST WANNA ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THE, THE QUESTION REGARDING THE ROLE OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTY WAS NOT ADDRESSED.

AND I'M SORRY, MR. KIRK, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I'LL TAKE MY WORD FOR IT, ISN'T, IS NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

I, I WANNA KNOW WITH WHAT, TO WHAT EXTENT THE STATE AND COUNTY NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION MAKING ABOUT WHAT'S DONE WITH THE REMAINDER OF THIS PROPERTY, IN ADDITION TO WHICH I TAKE EXCEPTION TO YOUR REPEATED STATEMENTS, THAT THERE IS NO IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND I AM THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND, SO IS MARK, SO IS SUSIE.

SO IS PHILIPPE AND DANIELLA.

WE'RE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND, AND WE'RE TELLING YOU THERE'S AN IMPACT ON THIS.

WE ALSO JUST CAN'T TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT, THAT THERE'LL BE NO FURTHER SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE SUBDIVIDING IT.

NOW, THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP FURTHER APPLICATION FOR SUBDIVISION IN THE FUTURE, JUST EXACTLY AS MS. GARDNER SAID.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY, AND I'M SORRY IF IT'S TEDIOUS AND REPETITIVE, BUT WE CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF THE PROPERTY AROUND ION WOODS.

I UNDERSTAND MION WOODS IS A PROPERTY INSIDE THE PRESERVE, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM, AS, IF YOU HEARD US CORRECTLY, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPERTY AROUND MARION WOODS.

OKAY? WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE PRESERVED NATURE OF THAT PROPERTY.

IF FURTHER SUBDIVISION OF MARION WOODS TAKES PLACE, THAT'S INCREASED TRAFFIC, THAT'S INCREASED USE OF INVASIVE SPECIES, THAT'S INCREASED IMPACT ON THE LIFE FORMS THAT EXIST IN THE PRESERVE.

WE CARE ABOUT THAT.

AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO INSTITUTED AND WERE THE ARCHITECTS OF PRESERVING THIS PROPERTY LIKE SUSAN EVERHART AND LIKE MS. GARNER, REALLY NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE WITH YOU, MR. KIRKPATRICK.

SO I REALLY WOULD APPRECIATE A SUBSTANTIVE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION OF, TO WHAT EXTENT DO THE COUNTY AND STATE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN ANYTHING THAT'S DONE HERE.

LOOKS LIKE ONE MORE SPEAKER.

MARK.

A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, WHICH WILL THEREFORE BE LESS TRAFFIC.

HI.

I'M JUST, AGAIN, I WANTED TO BRING UP THE ISSUE ABOUT TRAFFIC.

UH, NOW YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, IT REDUCES THE TRAFFIC FROM THE PEAK USE FOR THE HOUSE, BUT THE, THE PRESERVE WAS A LITTLE KNOWN SECRET, AT LEAST IN MY MIND.

UH, IT WAS THE, AT THE TIME, WELL, NO, THIS IS JUST TWO YEARS AGO, UH, WHEN COVID HIT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN EVERYBODY WAS SITTING AT HOME AND, AND, AND THE TRAFFIC.

I, I'VE NOTICED IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT THAT PARKING LOT HAS NOTICEABLY INCREASED IN, IN VOLUME.

UH, SO IF WAS, WAS THAT THE CASE 10 YEARS AGO? 20 YEARS AGO? NO.

SO IF, IF, IF, IF THE HOUSE WAS AT A, AT A, AT A, A HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUME 10 YEARS AGO, BUT THE PARK ITSELF HAD A, AT A A AT A A A LESSER VOLUME, IF, IF YOU SHOULD TAKE THE PEAK USE OF BOTH AND ADD THEM TOGETHER, UH, AND LOOK, AND LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC NOW IN, IN THAT AREA IS, IS, IS AS BAD AS EVER.

AND, AND SOONER OR LATER, SOMEONE'S GONNA PULL OUT OF THAT THAT LOT THERE, AND THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A, A BAD ACCIDENT.

AND I DON'T, AND I DON'T THINK THIS TRAFFIC STUDY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, IS REALLY TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD WANTS TO RAISE AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT.

UM, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN, CAN I SPEAK QUICKLY? QUICKLY, UM, THE QUESTION THAT MS. GARNER RAISED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, I THINK JOHN MALONEY HAS, UH, SPOKEN, UM, ON THAT, THAT THE, UM, MARION WOODS DOES NOT SEE ANY LESSENING IN DEMAND FOR THE RETIREMENT RESIDENTS ANYTIME IN THE NEXT DECADES.

UH, I DON'T THINK 2030 IS GOING TO BE THE ISSUE.

UH, MS. HART WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE ROLE OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTY IN THIS, UH, SINCE THEY ARE, UH, PART OWNERS OF MARION, OF, OF, UH, THE HARTSBURG PRESERVE.

UH, THIS IS ACTUALLY AN APPLICATION FOR THE PRIVATE PIECE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT FOR THE PARK.

UH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO PROPOSAL WHATSOEVER FOR THE PARK.

UH, COULD THERE BE FURTHER SUBDIVISION? WE'VE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT.

WE, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN NEVER PROMISE NO ONE WILL ASK AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC GOES.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS CHANGING THE HOUSE FROM A POTENTIAL OFFICE BUILDING, WHICH IT'S ALLOWED TO BE NOW, TO

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SO, UM, THOSE ARE OUR ANSWERS.

MOVING ALONG TO THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA'S CASE 2216, RENARD SELF STORAGE, L L C PROPERTY AT 42 44 HAY STREET.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, DAVID STEINMETZ FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ZAIN AND STEINMETZ, PLEASE TO BE BACK BEFORE YOUR BOARD, UH, REPRESENTING RENARD SELF-STORAGE.

THIS EVENING, I'M JOINED BY OUR ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT TEAM, UH, OUR CLIENTS, TOM ANTO AND, UH, DINO THOMASETTI, UH, MY COLLEAGUE, DOMINIQUE, UH, AL ALFANO, UH, ALANO, UM, AND MY, UH, PROJECT ENGINEERS, DIEGO VILLA REAL AND PAUL DUMONT.

AND, UM, UH, MIKE SEG, OUR, UH, PROJECT ARCHITECT ALONG THIS EVENING WITH CHRIS OTTO, UM, ONE OF OUR PROJECT CONSULTANTS WHO WE BROUGHT THIS EVENING TO ADDRESS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP LAST MEETING THAT YOU DO NOT FEEL WE HAD ANSWERED.

BECAUSE YOU'RE AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES, UM, INTO TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

I'M GONNA TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE, AND IF THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER.

LEAD AGENCY DESIGNATION, AND I COULD ASK YOU TO VOTE THIS EVENING.

WE RECEIVED SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR FROM THE BOARD WITH REGARD TO OUR PROPOSED SELF-STORAGE APPLICATION.

AT THE LAST MEETING, CAROL WAS GOOD ENOUGH TO PUT THAT IN WRITING AND SEND THAT TO US.

WE RESPONDED IN WRITING ON THOSE, UH, VARIOUS EMPIRICAL QUESTIONS ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL DATA, UH, SUB SUBMITTING SOME ADDITIONAL RENDERINGS, UM, AND, UH, RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS THAT, UH, THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY RAISED AT THE LAST MEETING.

IN SOME, WE ARE SEEKING A NUMBER OF VARIANCES THAT WERE DESCRIBED TO YOU PREVIOUSLY BECAUSE GREENBERG'S LI ZONE IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM ELMS FORD'S LI ZONE.

UNFORTUNATELY, OUR PROPERTY, AS YOU KNOW, IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN ELMSFORD AND PARTIALLY IN GREENBURG.

AS A RESULT, UH, WE HAVE APPLICATIONS PENDING IN BOTH MUNICIPALITIES.

SINCE WE WERE LAST BEFORE YOU, UH, WE APPEARED IN THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD.

THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD HAS DECLARED ITSELF LEAD AGENCY.

THE PLANNING BOARD IN GREENBURG HAS, UH, RELINQUISHED LEAD AGENCY, UH, TO ELMSFORD.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR STAFF THAT YOU INTEND TO DO THE SAME.

IN ADDITION, SINCE WE WERE LAST, BEFORE YOUR BOARD, THE VILLAGE ATTORNEY IN ELMSFORD, UH, SENT TO ME A LETTER CONFIRMING WHAT THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES IN ELMSFORD SAID TO ME ABOUT THREE AND A HALF WEEKS AGO, WHICH WAS THEY SUPPORTED THE APPLICATION, THEY FOUND IT FAVORABLY RECEIVED BY THE VILLAGE, AND THEY SUPPORTED THE A, THE VARIANCES, UH, THAT WE REQUIRE HERE IN GREENBURG.

ALL OF OF THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM STILL.

UH, AS MUCH AS, UH, MY, UH, FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE MR. KIRKPATRICK HAS SAID REPEATEDLY, THE STANDARD, AS YOU WELL KNOW, IS THE BENEFIT TO THE APPLICANT WEIGHED AGAINST THE DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE BELIEVE THERE'S NO DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S EMBLEMATIC THAT THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD WROTE A LETTER SAYING THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING TO THIS SECTION OF ELMSFORD WITHIN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.

LASTLY, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRIED TO BRING TO LIFE IN ELMSFORD, AND WE HAVE TRIED TO BRING TO LIFE IN GREENBURG, THE PROPERTIES SURROUNDING THIS SITE, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS ZONING NON-COMPLIANT.

AND THE REASON'S QUITE SIMPLE.

THE GREENBERG ALLI ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT CHARACTERIZE THE PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND THE SITE, NOR DOES IT, UH, CHARACTERIZE THE STANDARD OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE USED TO IN WESTCHESTER COUNTY.

IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A DI LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT CREATURE AS A RESULT OF WHICH WE ARE COMPELLED TO SEEK THE VARIANCES.

WE THINK IT'S A GREAT APPLICATION.

WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL, UH, DEMAND FOR SELF-STORAGE IN AND AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

UH, WE HAVE BROUGHT CHRIS OTTO HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

CHRIS IS A SPECIALIST, UH, AND, AND REAL ESTATE ADVISOR, AND KINDA HELP, UH, AMPLIFY THE ISSUE THAT WHAT RENAR IS SEEKING, THERE IS DEMAND IN THE COMMUNITY.

UH, THERE IS A REASON FOR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THIS, UH, VALUABLE TAX PAYING, QUIET, MINIMALLY IMPACTFUL USE TO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD AND THE TOWN OF GREENBURG.

WE NEED VARIANCES IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MADAM CHAIR, AS A RESULT OF TRYING TO BE AS EFFICIENT PO AS POSSIBLE, WE CAN GO THROUGH A FULL PRESENTATION.

MY ARCHITECT'S READY TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLANS.

CHRIS IS READY TO EXPLAIN HIS POSITION, AND PAUL DUMONT IS, IS READY TO AMPLIFY THE MATERIAL THAT HE SUBMITTED REGARDING THE SURROUNDING USES AND THE APPLICATION IN ELMSFORD AT 33 MAIN STREET.

IF YOU DON'T NEED TO HEAR THAT, 'CAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED IT IN WRITING, UM, I, I WANT, I GUESS THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD STATE PROCEDURALLY, I WISH THAT ELMSFORD HAD COMPLETED ITS

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I KNOW I CANNOT ASK YOU TO VOTE THIS EVENING.

SO THE ONLY THING WE'RE HERE TO ACCOMPLISH IS TO COMPLETE THE RECORD TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, AND WE WOULD BE DELIGHTED IF YOUR BOARD COULD HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR THE NEXT MEETING, BECAUSE I WILL MAKE SURE THAT ELMSFORD COMPLETES THE SECRET PROCESS AND HAS A NEGATIVE DECLARATION IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE I ASK YOU TO VOTE.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? REQUEST, YES.

REQUEST ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY? THERE ARE NO SIGNUPS.

WELL, AS YOU, AS YOU INDICATED PROPERLY, WE CANNOT VOTE ON THIS THIS EVENING, SO WE WILL TAKE IT UNDER ADVISE THEN.

AND YOU DID DO A FAIRLY, I WOULD SAY, COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PRESENTATION TO US AT THE LAST MEETING, SO APPRECIATE THAT.

AND, UH, WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

GLAD WE COULD BE EFFICIENT.

WE'LL SEE YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.

OKAY, NEXT CASE.

TONIGHT IS CASE 2217, GLEN SHEELEY, PROPERTY AT 2 0 8 TERRYTOWN ROAD.

THIS IS FOR SIGN VARIANCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, THANK YOU WORD FOR MEETING WITH ME TONIGHT.

UM, WE'RE AT THE LAST C B A MEETING, UM, TALKING ABOUT A SIGN THAT, A SECOND SIGN TO GO ON HILLSIDE AVENUE, ALONG WITH THE SIGN THAT WE HAVE ON 2 0 8 TERRYTOWN ROAD.

UM, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BOARD ASKED IF I COULD PROVIDE SOME, UH, BETTER PICTURES AND ALSO, UH, DISPLAY WHERE THE NEW SIGN WOULD GO AND, UM, IN PLACE OF THE OLD SIGN.

UM, WE DID THAT.

WE SENT THOSE, UH, PICTURES OR RENDERINGS IN TO THE BOARD.

AND, UH, JUST ASKING FOR APPROVAL TONIGHT ON OUR NEW SIGN TO BE REPLACED OF THE ENTER SIGN THAT'S THERE NOW ON HILLSIDE.

QUESTIONS.

ANY CONCERNS FROM THE AUDIENCE? MADAM CHAIR, I JUST DID WANNA NOTE THAT I, I SPOKE WITH SERGEANT REON TODAY AND, UH, SHOWED HIM THESE UPDATED PLANS AND HOW THEY WOULD LOOK IN THE FIELD, AND, UH, HE INDICATED THAT IN HIS OPINION, HE DID NOT FEEL IT WOULD BE A SITE OBSTRUCTION, UH, TO CARS EXITING OR ENTERING THE SITE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN, HAVING NO COMMENTS THAT ANYONE WANTS TO PUT ON THE RECORD, WE WILL MOVE ALONG AND WE WILL CONSIDER THE APPLICATION IN OUR DELIBERATIONS THIS EVENING.

36 INCHES WITHIN THE SIX FOOT CIRCLE, NATURALLY JUST STEPPING DOWN WITH, UM, RATIOS.

THANKS.

NEXT CASE IS CASE 22 18, 3 CENTRAL AVENUE, L L C PROPERTY AT THREE SOUTH CENTRAL AVENUE HARTSDALE.

UH, GOOD MORNING, MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS.

UM, I AM, UH, GOOD EVENING.

I APOLOGIZE.

UM, I AM, UH, BACK TONIGHT, UM, WITH A REVISION ON MY PLAN FROM LAST MONTH.

UM, I DID SUBMIT IT, UH, HARD COPIES.

I DID NOTICE TODAY THAT IT WASN'T ACTUALLY UPLOADED, BUT SOMETHING ELSE WAS IN ERROR.

UH, EMAILED CAROL.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAD THAT PLAN, BUT IT IS FAIRLY SIMPLE.

UH, I WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTING A VARIANCE FROM FOUR FEET TO EIGHT FEET.

SO MY NEW, UH, PROPOSAL WAS FOR A SIX FOOT CIRCLE WITH THREE FOOT LETTERING INSTEAD OF A EIGHT FOOT CIRCLE WITH FOUR FOOT LETTERING.

AND I HOPE THAT IS A SUFFICIENT COMPROMISE FOR YOUR CONCERNS.

ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE ONE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR SUBMISSION, THE, THE FIRST ONE AND COMPARATIVE TO THE SECOND ONE.

AND, UM, IN THE FIRST ONE YOU SAY THAT THE SIGNS COIN EXCHANGE, UM, EACH LINE IS 21 INCHES HIGH, AND THE WHOLE THING IS 48 INCHES HIGH.

IN THE SECOND VERSION, IT SAYS EXISTING LETTERS, WHICH I, SO I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME AS THE FIRST SUBMISSION, BUT YET IT'S ONLY 36 INCHES HIGH.

SO I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

UM, SO THE, THE FIRST ONE WITH THE 21 INCH LETTERING TOTALING 48 INCHES, UM, IS ALREADY INSTALLED AND APPROVED.

SO I HAD SUBMITTED THEM TOGETHER, MY APPLICATION PREVIOUSLY, BUT THAT'S JUST NOTATING THAT, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED.

UM, THE 36 INCH IS THE INNER LETTERING OF THE LOGO, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY TO BE 48 INCHES WITHIN THE EIGHT FOOT CIRCLE.

NOW IT'S

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OKAY, JUST YOUR, YOUR LINES.

THAT, THAT'S CLEAR.

I APOLOGIZE.

LINES DON'T MINE.

I'LL PUT THAT, IT'S JUST FYI, THE, THE LINES LINE UP WITH THE COIN EXCHANGE, NOT WITH THE LETTER C AND THE, UH, BIG THAT LOGO, BUT YEAH, I APOLOGIZE.

I, I OVERLOOKED THAT.

NO, NO, THAT'S, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYTHING FROM THE AUDIENCE? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

NEXT IS CASE 22, 19 26.

WELL, I'M SORRY, 1 26 MANHATTAN AVENUE WHITE PLAINS.

AND WHO IS HERE ON THAT MATTER? HI, HOW ARE YOU? UM, MY NAME'S LOUIS SH I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, I LIKE TO INTRODUCE AND, UM, SEE MY ARCHITECT, I DUNNO, HE'S CONNECTED, BUT I'M TRYING TO GET, UM, WORK IN THE HOUSE, UH, FOR EIGHT MONTHS IN.

UM, THEY SAY IT'S GONNA HAPPEN TODAY.

UM, I WAS WISH THEY CAME DONE SOON, UM, BECAUSE, UM, I GOT, UH, I GOT REALLY IN THE OTHER PLACE, ACTUALLY.

I GOT THREE KIDS.

I GOT ONE IS A SPECIAL KID.

HE NEED HELP.

I'M LIVING IN A SMALL PLACE.

THEY'RE REALLY HARD TO GET THEM TO GET, UM, SERVICE AND EVERY TIME HAS A COMPLAINT.

NOW, UM, YOU HELP ME APPRECIATE THAT.

ENSURE THE ARCHITECT IS SHOWING THE PLANS AND WHAT'S GONNA BE DONE.

IS YOUR ARCHITECT HERE THIS EVENING? YEAH, WE DON'T HEAR THE ARCHITECT.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR, UH, MIC MUTED, YOU CAN UNMUTE THAT.

UH, C M S DESIGN.

HELLO? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

OH YEAH.

GOOD EVENING.

SAME SEC BACK WHERE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

MY NAME IS CARLOS .

I REPRESENT TONIGHT MR. LUIS SUNO FOR THE PROPERTY IN 1 26 MANHATTAN AVENUE.

UH, THIS IS, UH, IS CORNER THE, THE MAP STREET ON MANHATTAN AVENUE.

UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING BUILDING.

THE FRONT YARDS ARE BACK, IS THE FIFTH FLOOR, IS, UH, 1.2 FEET ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

THE EXISTING FRONT, FRONT JARS, LIKE BACK TO EXISTING DORMERS IS 9.7 FEET.

WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING 9.7 FEET AT THE SECOND FLOOR.

THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPOSED EXISTING SETBACK AS SECOND FLOOR, THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT.

SINCE THE EXISTING HOUSE IS TOO SMALL AND THE SECOND FLOOR IS EXISTING, THE MOST ECONOMICAL SITUATION HERES FOR THE OWNER IS TO RISE THE SLOPING ROOF AND CREATE A FULL SECOND FLOOR.

THE ION REQUEST IS 8.48 POINT FEET MORE THAN THE EXISTING SEC.

BUT IF THE OWNER EXTEND THE BUILDING IN THE YARD, MAYBE WE CAN GET THE, THE FULL SITE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS SET BACK, AND WE TRY IS TO, TO REQUEST THE 8.5 SET BACK ALREADY EXISTED TO THE FACE OF THE EXISTING DORMANT AS SECOND FLOOR.

I WANNA SHARE THE, THE SCREENSHOT OF THE BUILDING.

THIS IS THE, THE EXISTING BUILDING RIGHT NOW, UH, UNTIL THIS DORMER HERE, WE HAVE A 9.7 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

ALSO, I CAN SHOW YOU ALL THE EXISTING PROPERTY IN THIS, IN THIS STREET IS NOT CONFORMING.

ACTUALLY, THIS IS OUR, OUR BUILDING.

THIS IS THE FRONT BUILDING.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S ALMOST IN THE SAME SITUATION.

THEY HAVE A SECOND FLOOR, FULL SECOND FLOOR.

WE WALK A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS SECOND FLOOR TOO, ALMOST WITH THE SAME LITTLE, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE SEC BACK THAN US.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS TWO STORY BUILDING AND THE

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THIS IS NOT CONFORMING TO THIS BUILDING.

ALL THIS BUILDING IN THE STREET IS NOT CONFORMING SEC, BUT IF YOU, WE WALK A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THIS AREA, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE, THIS IN THE SAME SITUATION.

AND WE REQUEST IN THE 8.5 FEET BARRIER FOR THIS, UH, PROPERTY BECAUSE WE, WE, WE'LL NOT CREATE ANY ADVERSE, UH, EFFECT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE STREET AND TO THE NEIGHBOR.

WE HAVE ALSO, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THE, THE FLOOR PLAN WE HAVE.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE, THE NEW SECOND FLOOR ADDITION IN THIS AREAS.

AND THE SETBACK IS, LIKE I SEE IS 20 FEET FROM THIS LINE.

AND WHAT WE REQUESTING IS THIS 9.7 FEET IN THIS AREA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THE PLAN OVER THERE.

I DIDN'T SHARE.

NOW YOU, IT'S, IT LOOKS FINE.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE NAVIGATING FROM DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE CAN SEE WHEN YOU CHANGE.

YES, YES.

AND THIS IS THE EXISTING BUILDING, THE, THE ELEVATION FRONT, THE REAR, THE, THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION AND THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION.

UM, YOU GO, THIS IS THE PROPOSED FROM ELEVATION.

THIS IS THE, THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION.

YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA IS WHERE WE EXTEND RIGHT NOW.

LET ME GO BACK A LITTLE BIGGER.

THIS, THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE TRY TO, UH, TO MAKE THE SECOND FLOOR OVER THE EXISTING PORCH.

IN THE FRONT IS IN THE SENSE IN THIS IS THE, IS LEFT SIDE, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL.

REAR ELEVATION IS, IS ALMOST, WE CHANGE, WE, WE WRITE IN ENTIRE THE SECOND FLOOR TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE SITUATION FOR THE OWNER IS, UH, ECONOMICAL PART PART IS VERY EXPENSIVE.

THE CONSTITUTION TO EXTEND THE HOUSE IN THE REAR YARD IS, IS MORE SIMILAR TO DO IN THE NEW ADDITIONAL SECOND FLOOR.

IF YOU HAVE SOME QUESTION, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? UM, FOR THE, UM, ARCHITECT, WERE THERE ANY, UM, COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS REGARDING THIS, UH, ADDITION? WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A SIGN FROM THE OWNER.

THEY, I AGREE TO, TO, TO DO THE JOB.

WE HAVE A SIGNED PAPER FROM THE, THE THREE NEIGHBOR ON THE FRONT.

THIS IS FROM MR FROM BELFORT IN 81 MAPLE AVENUE.

ALSO, WE HAVE A SIGN FROM LEON LA.

THIS IS IN THE FRONT OF THE, OUR BUILDING 1 25 MANHATTAN AVENUE.

UM, WE HAVE A TO TWO ANOTHER SIGN.

WE HAVE IT FOR ONE 22ND MANHATTAN AVENUE, FREDERICK CHER.

THEY, I AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE NEW ADDITION.

SO ALL OF THE NEARBY NEIGHBORS ARE IN AGREEMENT.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE YES.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE AT THIS POINT? ANY COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

WELCOME.

MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2220, TERRY HOLDING COMPANY PROPERTY AT 49 TARRYTOWN ROAD.

EXCUSE ME, I, I DON'T WANNA INTERRUPT, BUT, UM, CARLOS STILL HAS THE SCREEN SHARING.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR.

MY NAME IS JAMES MOI WITH MASERI SIGN COMPANY REPRESENTING SMASHBURGER CURRENT TENANT.

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YEAH, MAYBE HE COULD TAKE THAT DOWN.

OR OH, DEREK.

UM, I'LL START AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MADAM CHAIR, MY NAME IS JAMES MOI.

THAT'S M A U T E R I, MOI SIGN COMPANY REPRESENTING SMASH BERGER.

AT THE REFERENCE ADDRESS, WE ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE APPROVAL FOR CONTINUING USE OF AN EXISTING SIGN THAT'S, UH, FACING THE PARKING LOT ELEVATION.

UM, ACTUALLY WE WANNA CHANGE THE SIGN.

SMASHBURGER HAS, UH, CHANGED THEIR LOGO ON A NATIONAL LEVEL.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE DRAWINGS.

YOU'LL SEE IT'S A, A SOFTER LOOK.

THE FRONT SIGN ON, ON TERRYTOWN ROAD HAS BEEN APPROVED.

HOWEVER, WE FOUND OUT THAT, UM, WHEN THAT SIGN, THE ORIGINAL SIGN WAS PUT UP, A PERMIT WAS NEVER APPLIED FOR OR OBVIOUSLY ISSUED.

UM, IT WAS PUT UP ILLEGALLY.

WE'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN, UH, SIGNAGE AT, ON THAT SOUTH ELEVATION, UH, AGAIN, WHICH FACES THE PARKING LOT, THE HOLDINGS FOR FAVORABLE WOOD, UH, CONSIDERATION.

SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT THAT SIGN SIMPLY TO REMAIN THERE WHERE IT IS? YEAH, WE WANNA CHANGE THE SIGN ITSELF.

SAME SIZE, NOTHING DIFFERENT.

JUST, UH, THE LOGO HAS CHANGED IT.

YOU'RE BASICALLY ELIMINATING THE RED.

IF YOU, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE DRAWINGS, YOU'LL SEE IT'S JUST A WHITE LOGO.

NOW, UM, ON BOTH ELEVATIONS, AGAIN, THE FRONT ELEVATION ALREADY HAS BEEN APPROVED.

UH, WE JUST WANNA MAINTAIN THAT REAR ELEVATION OR SIDE ELEVATION IT'S CALLED.

AND WHAT, WHY DO YOU FEEL YOU NEED THAT SIGNAGE? UH, IT'S, IT MAKES THE, UH, THE BUSINESS MUCH MORE VISIBLE TRAVELING.

I BELIEVE IT'S NORTHBOUND.

I'M, PARDON ME, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.

I'M, I'M IN QUEENS.

UM, BUT IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, TRAVELING NORTHBOUND, UH, GIVES MUCH MORE VISIBILITY TO THE PREMISES.

AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ASSIST, UH, SINCE THE SMASH WORKER OPENED, WHICH YOU WOULD PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN I, I WAS THERE LAST NIGHT.

OKAY, .

SO IT'S ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE, YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH, UM, I THINK IT'S THE SOUTHBOUND YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT.

I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IT'S THE PARKING LOT ELEVATION THAT NORTH OR SOUTH.

I DON'T KNOW.

WELL, THERE'S PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING.

THAT'S WHY I, OKAY.

UH, EASTBOUND, WERE YOU GIVEN THE, WERE YOU GIVEN THE DRAWINGS? IT'S FACING THE BOWLING ALLEY.

HOW'S THAT? NOW? NOW YOU'VE REALLY CONFUSED.

THERE WE GO.

NO, NO, NOT THAT SIGN.

NO, THIS SHOULD BE SMART.

NO, I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE DRAWINGS.

MAYBE I DON'T NEED IT.

UM, NO.

MAYBE I DON'T NEED THE, THE PARAMETER OR MAYBE I DON'T NEED THE SIGN.

THAT'S THE THOUGHT.

IT SHOULD BE IN THE DRAWINGS.

A FULL PACKET WAS SENT WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE FRONT SIGN WAS APPROVED.

I'LL TRY AND PULL THAT UP REALLY QUICKLY, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, CAROL.

I PULLED UP THE FOUR PAGE SET THAT YOU, UM, PUT ON THE DRIVE THERE.

YOU, THERE'S LIKELY SOMETHING ELSE.

IT WASN'T IN THERE.

UH, MAYBE I MISSED IT WHEN I .

YEAH, I HAVE A PICTURES.

WE HAVE IT IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? IT'S IN THE PACKET.

YOU, IF I, YEAH, IF THERE'S ANY, IF I COULD PULL IT UP QUICKLY, I'LL DO MY BEST.

OR MAYBE YOU COULD DO A GOOGLE STREET SCAPE AND YOU COULD SHOW 'EM THE STORE AND YOU COULD POINT OUT WHICH IS THE SIDE THAT WOULD BE VERY, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

WE'VE COVERED ALL THE OTHER SIDES AT THIS POINT.

YEAH, I THINK WE GOT YOU TURN IN THE DRIVEWAY.

IT'S SIDE, IT'S ON THE, RIGHT NOW, IT'S ON THE LEFT.

IT'S ON THE LEFT.

TURNING INTO THE DRIVEWAY ON THE LEFT.

IT'S ON THE LEFT.

WHEN YOU GO IN THE DRIVEWAY, IF YOUR CAR IS FACING THE, THE BOWLING ALLEY, THAT'S THE REAR TURN.

IT'S ON THE LEFT.

YEAH, WE'RE CALLING IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S MARKED HERE AS THE LEFT, LEFT SIDE ELEVATION ON THE DRAWING SIDE.

OKAY, I HAVE IT.

GOOD.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK PLEASE.

SO IS THE, UH, THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION AS YOU SEE THERE? SO THIS CAN BE SEEN IN A, UH, WESTBOUND DIRECTION.

I, YOU, YOU MUST, YOU'RE PROBABLY RIGHT.

I, I, I DON'T KNOW BY NORTH SOUTH FROM, UH, JUST FROM THE

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DRAWINGS.

I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE, THE SITE.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S PROPOSED AGAIN, THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT, THE FRONT ELEVATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME SIZE.

NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS SIGN IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME SIZE AS THE SIGN THAT HAD BEEN THERE EXCEPT FOR THE CHANGE IN THE LOGO.

IT'S ACTUALLY A FEW, UH, FEW FEET.

IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY THREE SQUARE FEET SMALLER.

YOU'LL NOTICE IT IS DONE IN SCALE.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT THE EXISTING SIGN, UH, IS AS WIDE AS THE AWNING.

AND YOU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED SIGN, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, IS A BIT SMALLER.

SO IT REALLY HAS THAT NO ADVERSE EFFECT WHATSOEVER.

IT'S ACTUALLY A, A CLEANER LOOK.

AND THE AWNING TOO, WHICH HAVE BEEN APPROVED TO BE CHANGED TO BLUE, IS GOING TO BE RECOVERED BECAUSE THEY'RE, UH, WEATHERED.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? ANYTHING FURTHER FROM THE BOARD? SO YOU WERE ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH HAVING THE TWO FACADE SIGNS PUT, NOT YOU PERSONALLY, BUT SMASHBURGER WAS ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT GETTING THE VARIANCE REQUIRED FOR THE SECOND SIGN? THAT'S CORRECT.

THE ONES, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE FOUND OUT.

IT WASN'T PERMIT WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE SECOND PERMIT.

THINKING WE'RE JUST REPLACING, LIKE FOR LIKE, WE WERE TOLD THAT THE, UH, REAR SIGN WAS NEVER, UH, APPLIED FOR, OR THE LEFT SIDE SIGN.

AND IT WOULD SEEK APPROVAL, UH, APPROVAL FROM, UH, YOUR WARD.

WHY? I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS BEFORE MY TIME.

I'M GONNA BE HONEST.

I NEVER NOTICED THAT SIGN.

AND I GO THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT I USUALLY COME FROM THE OTHER DIRECTIONS.

WELL, IF YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'LL, YOU TEND NOT TO EVEN LOOK BECAUSE IT, IT JUST BECOMES SUBLIMINAL.

SO THEN WE DON'T NEED IT.

WELL, MAYBE YOU DON'T, BUT NEW BUSINESS DOES.

MM-HMM.

I DUNNO.

IT SITS OUT THERE PRETTY PROMINENTLY.

THE BUILDING ITSELF, THAT IS, WELL, IT'S ATTRACTIVE.

IT OFFERS BALANCE THE BUILDING, IT OFFERS ADVERTISING SPACE FOR THE BUILDING.

IT'S ONLY GONNA HELP.

AND AGAIN, HAS NO ADVERSE EFFECT WHATSOEVER.

IS THERE, IS THERE A SIGN STILL ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING? IF, IF ANYONE KNOWS? 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONE.

THESE ARE THE ONLY SIGNS ON THE BUILDING, BUT WE, WE DID SURVEY THE BUILDING.

WELL, YOU KNOW, MY, MY COMPANY DID.

I DIDN'T.

UM, AND WE MEASURED EVERY SIGN.

THE ONLY SIGNS TO MEASURE WERE THE TWO THAT YOU SEE IN THE DRAWINGS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DOES.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2221 O PRISCILLA, UH, ENRIQUE PROPERTY AT 4 37 LEY ROAD.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

CAN YOU HEAR US PROPERLY? GOOD EVENING.

IT'S ALREADY NONCONFORMING.

UH, SO HERE, MY NAME'S ART HENRIQUEZ THIS'S, MY WIFE PRISCILLA.

UH, WE'RE HERE WITH OUR ARCHITECTS .

SO, UM, SO WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG AGENDA.

WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT ADDRESS THE POINTS.

UM, MY, AGAIN, MY NAME'S ARTURO.

WE ARE, UH, A FAMILY THAT LIVES 4 37 LEY ROAD.

WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY 12 YEARS AGO.

UM, WE MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO RAISE OUR FAMILY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE MOVED INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE THOUGHT OF BEING HERE FOREVER.

UM, WE ARE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE WE LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT PLAN.

UM, WE LOVE OUR HOME, WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR CHILDREN RAISED HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE NOW, WE CAME AS A FAMILY OF THREE AND WE ARE NOW A FAMILY OF FIVE, UH, LIVING IN A HOME WITH A SINGLE FULL BATH HOME.

AND WE'RE LOOKING TO EXPAND, UM, TO DO SO.

UH, IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE FOUND OUT THAT OUR PROPERTY IS NONCONFORMING AS IT IS.

UM, I AM BY NO MEANS A PROFESSIONAL ON ANY OF THIS, BUT WE TRY TO BRIEF OURSELVES AS BEST POSSIBLE.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS NON-CONFORMING AS CURRENTLY LAID OUT.

UM, WE DID OUR BEST TO MINIMIZE, UH, ENCROACHING ANY FURTHER ON, ON THE NON-CONFORMANCE.

ON ONE SIDE, THE SPACE WE'RE TRYING TO ADD IS TO, UH, SUPPORT OUR, OUR FAMILY AND OUR CHILDREN WHO ARE GETTING LARGER AND NEED THEIR OWN SPACE AND, UM, TO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUAL

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VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

AS OUR KIDS START TO DRIVE IN OUR FOREVER HOME, UM, WE, WE REALLY ARE JUST LOOKING TO PROPOSE WHAT OUR PLAN IS.

UM, WE'VE SPOKEN WITH OUR DIRECT NEIGHBORS.

WE FEEL THAT THERE IS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT TO ANYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, OUR THREE DIRECT NEIGHBORS, UM, ARE IN AGREEANCE WITH THIS, WITH, IN CONCURRENCE WITH THIS PLAN.

TWO OF THEM HAVE SUBMITTED WRITTEN LETTERS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE THIRD IS TRAVELING IN A REMOTE AREA AND COULD NOT SUBMIT ONE.

BUT LIKE THREE DIRECT NEIGHBORS ON ALL THREE SIDES, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT WE WILL BE BUILDING TOWARDS, ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS.

UM, IN TERMS OF BENEFITS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE REALLY FEEL WE'RE GONNA BRING THIS PROPERTY IN CONFORMANCE WITH WHAT THE OTHER HOUSES ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE THE SMALLEST HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY FAR.

UM, AND BY NO MEANS WOULD WE STICK OUT WITH A SORE THUMB.

UM, SO I'LL REALLY, THAT'S MY POINT.

UM, I'LL PASS IT OFF TO MAX, UM, AND COMPANY.

UH, AND SO WE CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE DETAILS OF, PAIR THE QUESTIONS.

UH, WHEN DID YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY? WE PURCHASED THE HOME IN 2012.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, PROCEED.

UM, GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MAX ANG FROM MAX ANG ARCHITECTS, UM, ARCHITECT.

WE'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS IN YOUR BACKYARD IN GREENBURG.

UM, MR. MR. ENRIQUE ARE SEEKING A VARIANCE.

UM, THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE IN AN R 20 ZONING DISTRICT AND THEIR MINIMUM BLOCK, WHICH IS SUPPOSEDLY IT SHOULD BE 120 FEET.

INSTEAD, WE ARE DEALING WITH A PROPERTY WHICH IS ONLY 70 FEET WIDE.

THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IS EXTREMELY RESTRICTIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

THE HOUSE IN ITSELF, UM, MAYBE WE CAN PUT UP THE, UM, SITE PLAN AND, UH, WHICH YOU ALREADY SHOULD HAVE.

THE NON HATCHED AREA IS THE EXISTING DWELLING.

AND THE HATCHED AREA IS WHAT WE ARE, UH, PROPOSING AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, AGAIN, THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IS NON-CONFORMING.

UH, WE, UM, ARE BASICALLY SEEKING A VARIANCE.

UM, THE FRONT SETBACK AND THE REAR SETBACKS ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED.

UM, ONE, THE ONE SIDE SETBACK, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE 18 FEET.

UM, AND WE ARE PROPOSING 9.3 FEET.

UM, THIS 9.3 FEET IS A PREEXISTING CONDITION.

SO, SO THAT, UH, JUST TO CLARIFY, ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE NON-CONFORMITY.

WE ARE ACTUALLY AT 10.2.

SO WE ARE NOT INCREASING THE NONCONFORMITY ON THIS SIDE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE AT THE COMBINED, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOUR D AND THE EXISTING IS 35.8 FEET.

AND WE ARE PROPOSING 20.4.

UH, AND THIS IS THE VIOLENCE WE ARE REQUIRED REQUESTING, UH, RELIEF VIOLENCE.

WE ARE REQUESTING FROM THE BOARD, THE IMPERIAL SURFACES ARE CONFORMING.

WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE IMPERIAL SURFACES.

UM, THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS CONFORMING THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

INSTEAD OF, WE ARE ALLOWED 18, 18% OF THE PROPERTY SIZE.

THE EXISTING IS AT 6.7% AND WE ARE PROPOSING 13.1%.

SO AND SO IS THE PREVIOUS SURFACE ON THE FLOOR AREA RATIO.

WE ARE, UM, UH, WELL BELOW THE THRESHOLD ALLOWED BY THE, UM, BY THE CODE IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT.

I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT, UH, MR. AND MRS. HENRIQUE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS.

WE ARE A FAMILY IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEY'RE JUST, THEIR, THEIR FAMILY IS GROWING.

IT'S A TOTAL OF FIVE OF THEM.

THEY HAVE ONLY ONE BATHROOM.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THE GEOMETRY OF, OF THIS PROPERTY IS SUCH THAT IS ALREADY NON-CONFORMING WITH ONLY A 30 FEET WIDE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

ANY KIND OF ADMISSION WOULD BE EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY HARD TO PUT TOGETHER.

UH, HENCE WE ARE HERE IN FRONT OF, OF YOUR BOARD AND, UH, ASKING FOR RELIEF.

UH, ON, ON THE SIDE, SIDE.

BACK, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S SAY SHAUNA.

YEAH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MUTED THERE, SHAUNA.

YEAH, I COULDN'T, I WAS PRESSING THE WRONG SPOT FOR THE BUTTON.

UM,

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JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION, UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE FLOOR PLAN AND THE AREA THAT, UM, IS TOO CLOSE TO THE, UM, GO, GO BACK TO THE ONE YOU HAD BEFORE.

WHATEVER.

UM, YES, THE AREA ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT IS, UH, THAT IS EXTENDING THAT YOU NEED THE VARIANCE FOR IF, IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THAT AREA WHERE YOU'RE ASKING THE VARIANCE IS FOR A TWO CAR GARAGE AND ABOVE IT IS A BONUS ROOM, A LAUNDRY ROOM AND STORAGE? THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, MRS. DICKINS, SO THIS IS, UH, THE, PROBABLY THE, THE, THE TWO CAR GARAGE, UH, IS AT THE GROUND LEVEL WITH THE DEVICE, SORT OF LIKE A MUD ROOM.

THEN WE OPENED UP THE FAMILY ROOM AND THE KITCHEN ABOVE IT, THERE IS A LAUNDRY ROOM, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THE BEDROOMS, AND WE ACTUALLY ADDED A MASSIVE BATHROOM.

UH, AS, AS WE POINTED OUT BEFORE, THE HOUSE ONLY HAS ONE BED BATHROOM CURRENTLY, UH, FOR FIVE PEOPLE.

SO WE, WE, AND THE, AND THE LAUNDRY ROOM IS IN THE BASEMENT.

AND PILA, YOU KNOW, ASKED US THAT IF YOU COULD RELOCATE WITH UPSTAIRS WITH THE CHILDREN, I GUESS IT'S MORE CONVENIENT TO HAVE THE LAUNDRY ROOM AT THE TOP LEVEL INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO DOWN TO THE BASEMENT AS, AND IF I COULD ADD, IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT, RIGHT.

SO THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE ISN'T JUST HUBRIS AND IT ISN'T MEANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PUTTING A BOWLING ALLEY OR ANYTHING.

WE, I, I HAVE PARENTS WHO ARE GETTING UP IN AGE AND IS SPACE WE ARE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO NEED IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

IT IS JUST SOMETHING WE'RE NOT, THAT BONUS ROOM IN THAT STORAGE ROOM ARE LIKELY ARE GONNA REMAIN UNFINISHED SPACE FOR THIS TIME.

BUT IT WILL BRING, BRING THE PROJECT UP TO THE LEVEL AND ON, ON PAR WITH THE REST OF THE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO WE ARE REALLY JUST LOOKING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR FAMILY AND OUR FAMILY NEEDS NO MORE, NO LESS.

AND IS, IF IT PLEASE THE BOARD, THEY CAN ALSO SHOW YOU THE REVISED ELEVATION.

WE TRIED TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE AS MUCH AS WE COULD.

THE, UM, NOW KEEP IN MIND THAT THE, UM, THE GARAGE ITSELF IS SET BACK APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET.

THIS FRONT ELEVATION IS A FRONTAL PROJECTION, DOESN'T REALLY DO SO MUCH JUSTICE.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE ELEVATION, IT CLARIFIES WHY, UM, THE SIDE ELEVATION, IF YOU SEE THAT, IS THE GARAGE ON THE LEFT SIDE.

SO, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, WE, WE TRIED TO, UH, KEEP IT AT THE SAME LEVEL OF THE EXISTING RIDGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE OUR CURSE ON THE THING, BUT THE IDEA WAS TO KEEP THE, THE RIDGE LEVEL WITH THE EXISTING RIDGE AND KEEP THE HEIGHT.

AND THE FRONT, UH, ROOF IS, UH, IS MORE PROMINENT, BUT BECAUSE THERE IS A DOOR MIRROR THAT BREAKS IT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT ELEVATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THE DOOR MIRROR, NONE OF THIS HAS CHANGED.

THE FRONT PORCH, NONE OF THIS, THE RAILING, EVERYTHING IS BEING KEPT IN PLACE.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE CHANGING, UH, UH, AS FAR AS ELEVATION GOES IS WE HAVE BIN SIDING CURRENTLY, AND WE ARE CHANGING EVERYTHING TO HARD DE PLANK.

AND WE ARE ALSO CHANGING ALL THE TRIM TO HARD DE PLANK.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HOW CLOSE IS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO THE NEW GARAGE? SO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY, FROM MY PROPERTY LINE IS 40 FEET AWAY.

SO IT'S 40 FEET PLUS THE 10, YEAH, THE 10 FOOT TWO INCHES.

SO IT'S, THAT'S THE DISTANCE THE NEXT HOME AWAY.

IT'S, UH, UH, MRS. KINSON IS 40 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND THEN, AND THEN THERE IS, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 10 FEET, SO 50 FEET TOTAL ON THIS SIDE, AND ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE WHERE YOU SEE THAT BIG SQUARE ROOF THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 30 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

AND ANOTHER, SO ALSO 40 FEET ON ONE SIDE AND 50 FEET ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE CLOSEST CORONER, MRS. MC, AND AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE MY, THAT NEIGHBOR THAT WE ARE BUILDING TOWARDS MORE CLOSELY, UH, WROTE US A A LETTER OF SUPPORT.

UM, AND AS HE MENTIONED, HE WOULD BE THE NEIGHBOR THAT WOULD BE MOST IMPACTED.

AND HE'S IN AGREEMENT IN CONCURRENCE WITH THIS.

ACTUALLY, IF I MAY REITERATE THAT ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS, UH, ARE ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ONLY, IT'S NOT DETRIMENTAL,

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UH, YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINING HOMES AND WITH A, WITH A LOCATION.

THE, THE ONE IN THE CENTER IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION.

I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.

MADAM CHAIRMAN? YES.

I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WELL, I JUST WENT BACK ON IT.

JUST, JUST IN, OH, UM, OKAY.

NOW I THINK IT WE'RE GOOD TO CONTINUE.

CONTINUE, MA'AM.

NO, NO, NO.

SHE'S ON THE PHONE.

SHE'S JUST, OH, YEAH.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US AND, AND, UH, EXTENDING THE TIME TO ALLOW ME TO SPEAK.

SO NOT HEARING FROM ANYONE ELSE WITH RESPECT TO THIS MATTER.

UH, WHAT TIME IS IT? IT IS 9 27.

UH, COULD WE FIND OUT WHO IS STILL HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE GOLF COURSE OR THE GOLF, IF ANYONE THAT HAS NOT BEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, MR. UH, GOLDBERG.

AND THEN I SEE, UH, ONE OTHER HAND UP, MS. MACKEY.

OH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THOSE TWO THEN PLEASE.

THIS BRIEF, UH, I JUST WANTED TO PUT INTO CONTEXT THE PROPOSAL AND PRESENTATION THAT WAS MADE BY THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY, THEY VERY, VERY QUICKLY SKATED OVER THE FACT THAT 19 TREES ARE GOING TO MOVED.

THEY DID NOT ADDRESS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE REMOVED.

SPECIFICALLY, THEY MADE A CLAIM THAT THE NETTING WOULD BE HIDDEN BY TREES.

AND THEN THEY SAID, WELL, BUT WE'RE TAKING DOWN 19 TREES.

NONE OF THIS SQUARES UP.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IT REALLY IS A SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 19, AT LEAST 19 PRECIOUS TREES IN AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY FLOOD PRONE IN AN AREA WHICH ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY WILL EXPERIENCE FLOOD DRAINAGE FROM AN UNPROTECTED AREA OF TREES ARE TAKEN DOWN, AND THE, THE, THE 90 FEET THAT THEY DE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DIMINISH THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT 90 FEET IS 90 FEET.

I DON'T CARE HOW THEY WANNA MEASURE IT.

90 FEET IS 90 FEET, AND IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST STRUCTURES THAT WILL BE IN GREENBURG.

AND LASTLY, ALL THIS HAS BEEN CIRCLING BACK IN THEIR ARGUMENT TO THE DESIRE AND, AND, AND REQUEST OF THE BUILDING ONE 40.

IF, IF THEY, HOW MANY GOLF BALLS HAVE BEEN IMPACTED AT ONE 40? HAS ANYBODY QUANTIFIED THAT? WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.

AND IF THEY WANNA REMEDIATE THAT, THEY HAVE A VERY EASY WAY TO PUT NETTING OVER THEIR PARKING AREA, AND THEY'RE VERY EASY WAY TO PUT SHATTERPROOF SHATTERPROOF GLASS IN THEIR WINDOWS THAT THE GOLF COURSE COULD PAY FOR INSTEAD OF DESTROYING AN ECOLOGICAL AREA.

YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.

OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I, I REALIZED THE LATE HOUR, UH, MY NAME IS ACTUALLY ANNA BROWNTON.

I LIVE AT 100 EAST.

I'M PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS HERE.

AND, UH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, REALLY ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT PRECEDED ME KIND OF, UH, SUMMARIZE WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE IMPACT FROM THE REMOVAL OF THE TREES IS SOMETHING TO BE NOTED, BECAUSE WHILE IT, IT WOULD DO, IN MY OPINION, POTENTIALLY, UH, EXACERBATE THE, UM, OR RATHER REDUCE THE ABSORPTION OF WATER, WHICH COULD EXACERBATE ANY POTENTIAL FLOODING, UH, THERE'S ONE OTHER AREA THAT WAS NOT THE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESSES IN THE VILLAGE OF HARTSDALE, WHICH ARE BARELY, UH, HANGING ON POST SANDY.

AND, UM, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT ANY INCREASE, UH, OR, UH, IN FLOODING WOULD DO TO THEIR, THEIR BUSINESSES, THEIR BUSINESSES.

THEY WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN AGAIN.

AND THAT WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPACTFUL TO ALL THE RESIDENTS ON THE AVENUE, PARTICULARLY SENIOR CITIZENS WHO, YOU KNOW, HAVE MOVE HERE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE, THE ACCESSIBILITY TO BUSINESSES IN TOWN.

AND LASTLY, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT OUR CONCERNS ARE NOT CAPRICIOUS.

UH, THEY'RE NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DECIDE WE WANT TO BOTHER PEOPLE WITH.

THESE ARE REAL CONCERNS.

AND, UM, I JUST WANNA,

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COULD YOU THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

MY NAME? YES.

ANNA BROWNTON.

B R O U G H T O N, 100 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

AND THEN LASTLY, I SEE ZOOM USER, PLEASE, UM, SPEAK AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

YOU GOT YOUR HAND RAISED THERE AND YOU'RE MUTED.

KEPT UP AND KEPT CLEAN BY 100 EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.

MY NAME IS CLEMENTINE CARBO.

I AM THE BOARD PRESIDENT AT A EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.

UM, I WON'T BELABOR EVERYTHING EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID EXCEPT FOR DITTO.

DITTO, DITTO.

UM, BUT I HAVE A CO A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OR THINGS THAT MAYBE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING OVER EVERYTHING WE'VE SAID, YOU MAY TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHEN I READ THE PACKAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE GOLF CLUB, UM, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING VERBALLY AT THESE MEETINGS VERSUS WHAT I COULD TELL FROM THE DRAWINGS ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT WHERE THE NETTING IS GOING TO AND POLLS, UM, ET CETERA.

AND I'M NOT REALLY USED TO READING THOSE TYPES OF PLANS.

THE OTHER THING IS, UM, I, I, I FORMALLY WOULD LIKE TO INVITE I THE ZONING BOARD OR SOME OF YOU TO JOIN WITH THOSE FROM THE TOWN BOARD AND GARRETT, WHO ARE GOING TO DO A SITE VISIT.

UM, I KNOW GARRETT VISITED THE GOLF CLUB, BUT IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE POND, WHICH IS US.

UM, MY TERRACE IS IN THE REAR, AND IT OVERLOOKS THIS MAGNIFICENT WONDER OF NATURE, UM, THAT THEY DO TAKE CARE OF.

THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT THEY DO TAKE CARE OF THE GOLF COURSE BEAUTIFULLY.

UM, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD PLEASE COME THROUGH SITE, SITE VISIT AS CALL FINDER HAD SUGGESTED.

UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK WAS, DID, DID, DID ANYBODY SEE, UH, A SAMPLE OF THIS NETTING THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, I KNOW ANYTIME WE HAVE A PROJECT OR WE HAVE MATERIALS, THE VENDORS SUPPLY SAMPLE PRODUCTS, UM, THIS NETTING SUPPOSEDLY IS WILDLIFE FRIENDLY.

UM, YET IT'S GONNA PREVENT THESE BALLS FROM GOING THROUGH.

SO I'M ASSUMING IT'S DENSE, UM, TIGHTLY WOUND, UM, NOT TRANSPARENT.

SO HOW CAN THE POOR BIRD SEE IT? UM, I WOULD LOVE TO, TO TO SEE A PIECE OF IT.

TO SEE A, A, A, YOU KNOW, EIGHT AND A HALF BY 11 PIECES OF THIS NETTING THEY WANT TO PUT UP.

UM, MY OTHER POINT IS, WHY, WHY DOES IT ALL HAVE TO BE HERE? WHY DO THEY HAVE TO CUT DOWN TREES? PUT UP A BUBBLE ON A, ON A SLANTED TERRAIN, REMOVE SOME OF THE TERRAIN, UM, POSSIBLY AGGRAVATE THE EXISTING FLOODING SITUATION.

WHY, WHY CAN'T IT GO TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE WHERE THE GROUND IS FLAT AND IT JUST PUT ANOTHER TENNIS COURT INSIDE A BUBBLE, WHICH MAYBE THEY COULD LEAVE THERE YEAR ROUND? UM, AND FINALLY, I THINK THEIR ATTORNEY, THIS YOUNG MAN IS INSISTING THAT WE ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND WANTS YOU TO MOVE THIS ON BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR SO LONG.

WELL, IF IT'S SUCH A RUSH FOR THE GOLF COURSE, WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS? NOW YOU JUST WANNA PUSH THIS THING THROUGH.

UM, YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU, YOU GOTTA BE DESTROYING PROPERTY AND, AND TREES AND ET CETERA.

GIVE US, GIVE US A CHANCE FOR YOU TO PROVE AND FOR THE SPECIALISTS TO COME IN AND MAKE THEIR OPINIONS KNOWN.

AND I MEAN, AN ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, NOT, NOT JUST GOD BLESS OUR TOWN ENGINEER.

HE'S A SWEETHEART.

HE DOES KNOW WHAT HE'S DOING, BUT HE'S NOT AN EXPERT, UM, IN CONSERVATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL.

UM, SO I THINK I'VE SAID ENOUGH EXCEPT THAT THE LAST THING IS THE STREAM BEHIND 80, WHICH RUNS ALONG ALL OF EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE.

UM, THE STREAM AND THE WEIR ARE NOT KEPT UP BY THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY HAPPEN TO BE

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BUT WHILE BACK, WE USED TO SHARE THAT EXPENSE WITH THEM.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW, SOMEHOW, I DON'T THINK WE DO ANYMORE.

BUT WE'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO.

BUT THEY HAVE AN OUTSIDE SERVICE COME IN AND CLEAN OUT THAT STREAM, CLEAN OUT THE REAR, SO THAT THE DEBRIS THAT COMES FROM THEIR SUPPOSEDLY NATURAL WOODED AREA, UM, AND LIMBS DON'T, ARE KEPT OUT OF THE STREAM AND NOT PASSED ON TO CLOG THE FLOW OF WATER.

UM, THEIR TREES OVERHANG OUR PARKING LOT.

OUR SHAREHOLDER CARS, UM, HAVE BEEN DAMAGED WHEN THE BRANCHES ROLL OFF.

THEIR ANSWER TO US, WHEN WE ASKED THEM A WHILE BACK TO ATTEND, PAY ATTENTION TO THIS, THEY SAID, UM, WE ARE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO DO ANYTHING OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT.

AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, CUT THEM YOURSELF.

WELL, ALL FINE.

AND DHY, OUR LANDSCAPER DOESN'T CARRY THE PROPER INSURANCE FOR HIS MEN TO GO UP ON A 10 FOOT, 20 FOOT HIGH LADDER WITH CLIPPERS IN THEIR HANDS TO TRIM THE GOLF COURSES BRANCHES.

UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD A NEIGHBOR THEY REALLY THINK THEY ARE.

I THINK I'VE ABOUT COVERED IT.

UM, AND IF I HAVEN'T, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, UH, HERE, AND I TRUST THAT YOU GUYS IN YOUR SENSIBLE JUDGMENT WILL DO THE RIGHT THING.

WHATEVER YOU FIND IS BEST.

AND CAROL, UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY TO YOU, THANK YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN SO PATIENT , ESPECIALLY WITH ME AND MY MILLION QUESTIONS, AND YOU'VE HELPED US OUT TREMENDOUSLY.

UM, AND GARRETT, PLEASE, I HOPE YOU COME AND SEE OUR SIDE OF THE POND AND EVEN AN AERIAL VIEW FROM OUR ROOFTOPS.

UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT A BUNCH OF TOWN IDIOTS.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.

I'M SURE YOU ALL WANNA GO HOME AND GO TO BED LIKE I DO.

MA'AM, COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME, PLEASE? B A R B O.

THIS IS INHERENT TO WOODED BUFFER AREAS.

ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS TIME FOR REAL THREE MINUTES, MR. WARBLE.

YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN WE HIT THREE MINUTES.

IF I HAVE STOPPED ALREADY, I'LL DO.

UH, SO JUST TO RUN THROUGH IN RESPONSE TO A FEW ITEMS, UH, THE ACCUSATION THAT WE DID NOT ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE TREES IDENTIFIED FOR REMOVAL ASSOCIATION WITH THE NETTING INSTALLATION, UH, HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

THAT'S FALSE.

IT'S IN OUR WRITTEN SUBMISSION PACKAGE.

WE'VE PROVIDED A PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIES ALL TREES TO BE REMOVED, UH, IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE NETTING.

UH, AGAIN, THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE 19 PRECIOUS TREES IS DIRECTLY CONTROVERTED BY OUR CERTIFIED ARBORISTS REPORT.

UH, WHO HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER TO THE, SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE TOWN'S CIVIL ENGINEER IS NOT CONSIDERED A PRESERVATION EXPERT, I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE TOWN'S FORESTRY OFFICER, UH, SPEND IS IN FACT AN EXPERT ON THOSE MATTERS.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH HIM THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

UH, AGAIN, THE IDEA THAT THERE ISN'T AN ISSUE HERE FOR ONE 40, I THINK YOU HEARD FAIRLY COMPELLING TESTIMONY FROM, UH, CAROLINA, FROM PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR ONE 40, THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THEM, AND IT'S ONE THAT THEY'VE ASKED US TO TAKE SERIOUSLY, AND ONE THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO TAKE SERIOUSLY.

SO WHEN SOMEONE SAYS, WHY CAN'T IT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE ON THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, WE'RE PROPOSING TO PROTECT A PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR WHO HAS ASKED FOR OUR ASSISTANCE.

UH, AND THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER THERE.

UH, AS FAR AS THE SAMPLE OF NETTING, WE ACTUALLY DID PROVIDE, UH, AGAIN, IN OUR WRITTEN PACKAGE, UH, A LETTER FROM THE NET MANUFACTURER THAT INCLUDES IMAGES OF THE SPECIFIC PROPOSED NETTING.

THAT BEING SAID, CERTAINLY IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO RECEIVE A PHYSICAL SAMPLE, I'M SURE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROVIDE IN ADDITION TO THE IMAGES WE'VE ALREADY PROVIDED, WHICH I, I TAKE IT WERE NOT REVIEWED, UH, NOT BY YOU THE BOARD, BUT BY THE PERSON MAKING THAT COMMENT.

UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN AGAIN, WITH REGARD TO THIS AREA, THAT IS NOT THE AREA PROPOSED FOR THE WORK.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TOOK SERIOUSLY.

WE, WE ASKED GARRETT AND SVE TOWN FORESTRY OFFICER TO COME OUT AND INSPECT THE AREA, ENSURE THAT WE WEREN'T IN VIOLATION OF ANY TOWN CODE OR HAVING ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT.

THE DETERMINATION OF THE IMPARTIAL TOWN OFFICIALS WAS, THERE'S NO NEGATIVE IMPACT HERE.

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UH, AND THEN LASTLY, AGAIN, THE, THE COMMENTS REGARDING STORMWATER RUNOFF AND FLOODING ARE, AT THIS POINT, SPECULATIVE AND IN DIRECT CONTRIVANCE WITH THE EXPERT ENGINEERING PLAN AND STORMWATER POLLUTION PREVENTION PLAN THAT WERE SUBMITTED AND WERE REVIEWED BY YOUR TOWN EXPERT ON STORMWATER, WHICH THE CIVIL ENGINEER IS, UH, AND FOUND TO BE, UH, IN COMPLIANCE WITH CODE.

AND POTENTIALLY, AS I NOTED EARLIER, A BENEFIT TO NEIGHBORS DOWNHILL.

UH, THE SPECULATION THAT WE ARE INCREASING FLOODING IS UNFOUNDED.

AND, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY, UH, YOU MAY RECALL THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION THE LARGER FLOODING CONCERNS FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH ARE UNDOUBTEDLY REAL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THE TOWN IS LOOKING AT.

I I THINK GARRETT SPOKE TO THAT A FEW MEETINGS PRIOR.

UH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ON A MACRO LEVEL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CLUB IS WORKING WITH THE TOWN ON, AS I THINK GRAHAM MENTIONED IN HIS OPENING REMARKS.

SO I, I DO WANNA EMPHASIZE WE'VE STUDIED THAT IN GREAT DETAIL.

WE KNOW IT'S AN ISSUE.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS IT IS TO YOU, AND, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY INDEPENDENT EXPERTS.

UM, SO THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, FOR NOW, BASED ON THE RECENT COMMENTS.

BUT, UH, CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER THEM AS BEST AS I CAN.

UM, I JUST HAD A SIMPLE QUESTION, ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT HAVE A SIMPLE ANSWER, AND THAT IS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE TREES AND THE NETTING, HOW IS IT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE TREES ONCE THE NETTING IS IN PLACE? THAT IS THOSE THAT ARE GROWING IN THAT, IN THAT LO IN THE, THOSE LOCATIONS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT MATT SEBERINO COULD SPEAK TO NOW AS GROUND GROUNDSKEEPER.

UH, BUT I MAY WANNA ADD.

SO I, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NETTING WE'RE PROPOSING ALONG THE DRIVING RANGE IS, IF I'M REMEMBERING THE FIGURE CORRECTLY, UH, 155 FEET IN LENGTH.

UH, SO THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YOU WALK AROUND IT TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE.

UH, IF, IF MATT HAS MORE TO ADD TO THAT OR IF MAYBE WE CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL IN WRITING, IF HE FEELS THAT'S NECESSARY, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE THAT.

UH, GOING FORWARD, YES, IF POSSIBLE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE PARTS OF THE NETTING WOULD POTENTIALLY BE TO THE TREES VERSUS AS THEY GROW.

AND THAT WAS THE, MY LAST QUESTION WAS, UH, HAVE THOSE TREES MATURED IN THAT AREA OR NOT? AND, AND, AND TO JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THE REASON FOR THE TREE REMOVAL IS LARGELY TO PREVENT NEARBY TREES FROM NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE NETTING AND TO ENSURE THE SUSTAINABILITY OF THE NETTING GOING FORWARD.

UH, SO, UH, I SUPPOSE THE TREE REMOVAL PROPOSED SORT OF ANSWERS THAT QUESTION, UH, OFF, OFF THE BAT BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING RID OF THOSE TREES THAT WE, UH, HAVE DETERMINED WITH OUR NETTING EXPERT TO POTENTIALLY BE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NETTING.

BUT CERTAINLY WE'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH THE GROUNDSKEEPER, AND IF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION CAN BE PROVIDED TO YOU, WE WILL PROVIDE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CLEARLY, WE HAVE TIME.

STEVE? YES, GO AHEAD.

STEVE.

CAN I ANSWER TO THAT? IT'S MATT SEVERINO.

MATT.

IF YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE ANSWER NOW.

WELL, WELL, YEAH.

I MEAN, IT, IT, WELL, IN SHORT, THERE'S THREE WAYS WE CAN GET TO THAT AREA THAT THE SAME THREE WAYS WE DO NOW WITH A BUCKET TRUCK FROM OUR SIDE, FROM A, A BUCKET TRUCK OR, UM, ACCESS THROUGH A NEIGHBORING ONE 40 HAS A PARKING LOT.

OR THE THIRD OPTION IS WHAT MOST OF THE TIME WE DO IS THEY CLIMB THE TREES.

SO THAT'S HOW ACCESS IS GRANTED.

SAME WAY WE ACCESS 'EM NOW, WITH OR WITHOUT A NET, WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING.

SO NO CHANGE THERE, MA'AM.

I, I MEAN, DID I HEAR THAT RIGHT? YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THE TREES DON'T DISTURB THE NETTING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, CHAIR, ARE YOU REFERRING TO BOARD MEMBERS? 'CAUSE I MEAN, I THINK PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WILL JUST CONTINUE TO SPEAK.

WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK.

THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE ARE LOOKING TO SPEAK AGAIN.

NOW I SEE A HAND RAISED.

UM, CAN I MAKE ONE MOMENT IF IT'S A QUICK RESPONSE? YES.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER, IT'S A QUICK RESPONSE.

YOU, I I, I JUST FIND IT SPECIOUS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO SURFACE THIS FROM THE PARKING LOT, WHICH IS BELOW SURFACE OF ONE 40, WHICH IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

NUMBER ONE, WE'VE WATCHED THE PICKERS, THEY WOULD BE NO WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVICE OVER A 90 FOOT NET.

WE'VE WATCHED THIS OVER TIME THAT THESE ARGUMENTS ARE JUST SPECIOUS.

AND I THINK YOUR COMMENT, STEVE, ABOUT, WELL, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE TREES DON'T DISTURB THE NETTING.

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THAT, THAT IS AS BACKWARDS AS I HAVE EVER HEARD AN ARGUMENT.

THAT'S IT.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN FOR OUR DELIBERATIONS AT THIS POINT.

AND IN, AS WE INDICATED, YOU CAN CERTAINLY LISTEN BUT NOT PARTICIPATE.

AND WE WILL TAKE SIX MINUTES BACK AT 9 53.

YES, WE ARE SET TO START THE DELIBERATIONS.

BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED FROM, WHICH IS 6 6 25.

DO STAR REALTY AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, EVERYONE HAS SEEN THE PROPOSED, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO SWALLOW SOMETHING.

THE PROPOSED DECISION THAT HAS BEEN DRAFTED.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? ANY ADDITIONS, ANY CONCERNS, ANY COMMENTS? NO.

I MEAN, NOW'S THE TIME TO RAISE THE CONCERNS.

MY ONLY CONCERN THAT I HAVE WOULD BE ON THE SALE OF GROCERY ITEMS. MM-HMM.

, UM, THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED, UM, UNTIL WE ASKED FOR A LIST OF ITEMS. IT'S NOT A MAKE OR BREAK FOR ME, BUT I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS IS HOW MUCH OF THE SPACE IS BEING USED FOR THAT AND WHAT DOES THAT BECOME VERSUS THE FARM STAND.

THAT ESSENTIALLY WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

HAVEN'T BEEN IN THERE RECENTLY, BUT LAST TIME I WAS IN THERE, IT WAS ALL THE SAME ITEMS THAT THEY'VE ALWAYS SOLD.

AND, UM, DID YOU RAISE ANY CONCERN? WAS IT, I THOUGHT SOMEONE, I MEAN, THE LIST IS PRETTY, UM, EXTENSIVE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'VE GIVEN TO THE OTHER, UH, FARMS OR NURSERIES, I SHOULD SAY, UH, THAT WE'VE GRANT THAT WE'VE GRANTED THE RIGHT TO SELL OTHER PRODUCTS BESIDES WHAT WE NORMALLY VIEWED AS, UM, GARDENING.

UM, WHAT OTHER CONCERNS, IF ANY, ARE THERE REGARDING THE LIST OF PRODUCTS? DOES ANYONE WISH TO CURTAIL? SOME OF THEM.

I KNOW I PERSONALLY WOULD, BUT EVEN ADD UP TO THE MEMBERS FIRST TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.

I'M OKAY.

ME TOO.

ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, WHO'S GOING TO POLICE WHAT THEY CAN OR DO NOT SELL? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

LOUIS.

THERE IS A CONDITION THAT, UM, IS SPECIFIC TO IF THE, UH, NURSERY IS TO TERMINATE.

UM, SO MAYBE IT'S HELPFUL IF WE RECITE THAT.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIRECTLY ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

SO ED, I'M, I'M LOOKING TO PULL UP, UH, THE DECISION IF I HAVE IT HANDY.

UM, BUT IF, IF YOU HAVE THAT HANDY AND YOU COULD RECITE THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

I THINK DOESN YOUR QUESTION, LEWIS, THAT DOES NOT, THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.

YEP.

UH, YEAH, THAT DOES NOT ADDRESS LOU'S QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS WHO POLICE IT? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS VERY SIMPLE.

THE BUILDING DE DEPARTMENT CAN, IF IT RECEIVES A COMPLAINT.

CORRECT.

AND, AND IT'S VERY EASILY OBSERVABLE WHAT THEY'RE SELLING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GO OVER TO, UH, THE OTHER ONE ON SEACOR ROAD, ANTHONY.

THE ANSWER IS, YEAH, I CAN'T SAY THAT INSPECTOR HAS BEEN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE, BUT IF YOU RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, YOU WOULD GO, ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, WE'LL GO SEE EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THEY'RE SELLING.

I MEAN, I KNOW I

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I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS OUTTA SOURCE.

SO THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS ASKING THAT QUESTION WAS QUESTION TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT, DOES IT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHAT WE SAY THEY CAN OR CANNOT SELL? I MEAN, YES.

IF, IF WE DO, IF WE DO, ABSOLUTELY.

IF WE DO MAKE THE LIST, THEN SOMEBODY'S GOTTA KNOW WHAT THAT LIST IS AND THEN BE ABLE TO, MAYBE THEY'RE GOING NEAR TO SHOP OR SOMETHING, AND THEN FIND OUT, OH, WELL WHY ARE THEY SELLING, WHAT WAS IT, BOARSHEAD, UM, SALAMI, UM, AND THEN LODGE A COMPLAINT WITH, UH, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

I MEAN, LET, LET, LET'S FACE IT IN REALITY, UH, HOW, HOW, UH, MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT DEGREE DO WE MICROMANAGE SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS? EITHER WE ARE AGREEING TO THEIR APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCES OR NOT.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT SELL TO A MICRO DEGREE.

BUT OF COURSE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TELL 'EM THEY'RE NOT GONNA SELL JEWELRY IN A NURSE'S, YOU KNOW, IN A NURSE, UM, A NURSE, THE NURSERY FARM.

BUT, UM, WE DON'T WANT TO GO OVERBOARD IN TELLING A BUSINESS WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO.

THAT'S MY ESTIMATION.

SO, IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THAT WHAT IS, IN OTHER WORDS, WHATEVER WE HAVE HERE ALREADY, I THINK IT'S FINE.

WELL, THE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE A NEXUS BETWEEN WHAT IS BEING SOLD AND THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY? AND IF THERE COMES A POINT, IF THERE'S A TIPPING POINT AT WHICH THIS BECOMES A GROCERY STORE AS OPPOSED TO A FARM STAND, THEN AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE THAT IT IS NOT MICROMANAGING.

IT'S MERELY ENFORCING THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND MINIMIZING THE IMPACT OF THE VARIANCE THAT YOU'RE GRANTING.

NOW, TO GET BACK TO YOUR EARLIER QUESTION, UH, AND I WOULD DEFER TO ANTHONY, BUT I'M, THERE ARE, I WOULDN'T SAY MANY, BUT THERE ARE ALWAYS, UH, RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, I WOULDN'T SAY THEY GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THESE THINGS, BUT IF THEY'RE AWARE THAT YOUR DECISION IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, AND IF THEY'RE AWARE THAT, UH, THE, UM, APPLICANT OR THE OWNER IS DOING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT PERMITTED, UH, THEY WILL TELL US.

AND THAT WAS WHAT HAPPENED IN MONTAGE, THE FURNITURE STORE.

THEY WERE .

SO I ALSO LOOK AT WHAT WE, WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD BACK IN 2013 FOR WESTCHESTER GREENHOUSES.

AND IT WAS REALLY CLEAR IN THE AMENDMENTS THAT THEY WERE NOT TO TO SELL FACTORY OR MASS PRODUCED ITEMS. EVEN THE ITEMS, LIKE THE CHEESES AND STUFF WERE MORE ARTISAN.

SO I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANNA BRING THAT TO PEOPLE'S ATTENTION IN THIS CASE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING TO SELL MASS PRODUCED ITEMS, RIGHT? UM, SO I THINK I'M JUST LOOKING AT DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE IN THE PAST AND PARITY AGAINST THOSE.

AND TO ME, THIS BECOMES A LITTLE MORE LIKE A GROCERY STAND WITH THOSE MASS PRODUCED ITEMS VERSUS A SPECIAL SPECIALTY FARM STAND.

AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT.

WELL, I THINK, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT LISTING ALL THE ITEMS SO THAT WE DON'T BECOME, IT'S MORE A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEMS, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS KIND OF DONE IN THE PAST.

AND I THINK THAT WHATEVER WAS DONE IN THE PAST, WE SHOULD STICK TO IT, RIGHT? OTHERWISE WE'D BE GIVING THIS ONE PARTICULAR NURSERY, UH, FARM STAND, UM, PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING THAT WE HADN'T GRANTED TO ANY OTHER, UH, FARM STAND IN THE PAST.

AND I THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I WOULD AGREE.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

THAT TOO.

I LIKE THE WORD MASS PRODUCED, THOUGH.

BUT THEN I THINK YOU GET INTO A WHOLE QUESTION OF MILK, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA GET IT FROM A LARGE DAIRY.

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UM, YOU WANNA MOVE ON? WHERE ARE WE? ANY CHANGES? NO, I DIDN'T SEE ANY THAT I WOULD WANT ME TO MAKE.

THAT'S NOT WHAT'S CONTEMPLATED HERE.

DRAW, VOTE.

SO ARE WE LEAVING IT AS IS OR ARE WE MAKING CHANGES? SO IT REFLECTS DECISIONS FROM THE PAST? I'LL ASK IT AGAIN, BUT I, I ASKED THE QUESTION AND I SAID, ANY CHANGES? AND LOU SAID, LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR ANYONE ELSE.

BUT NOW, UH, THAT YOU'VE SAID SOMETHING, DIANE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST? I WOULD JUST SUGGEST WE USE LANGUAGE IN, INSTEAD OF LISTING SPECIFIC ITEMS, SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE IN THE CERTIFICATE OF DECISION FROM FEBRUARY, I GUESS IT WAS 2013 OR SOMETHING FOR WESTCHESTER GREENHOUSES.

MM-HMM.

, IF WE ALREADY HAVE THAT LANGUAGE, AND HAD SENT IT TO US YESTERDAY, I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO.

BUT, UM, OKAY, THERE WERE, WELL, EXCEPT THAT THERE WAS A USE VARIANCE GRANTED IN 95.

AND THEN I THINK THERE WAS A SE ANOTHER DECISION THAT EXPANDED IT IN 2008, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT EXPANDED IT IN 2000, UH, 13 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE THIS CONSISTENT, THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AND NOT JUST THE ONE DECISION.

YOU'VE GOTTA SEE ALL THREE.

UM, I THINK YOU DID A, UH, YOU HELPED, I THINK THERE'S A SECTION ON THE FIRST ONE, SIX ON THE SECOND ONE.

THERE'S, UH, IT'S AT THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO.

AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM OF, UH, PAGE THREE OF WHAT? THE DRAFT DECISION? NO, OF THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT.

I MEAN, IT'S FRUITS, VEGETABLES, UH, PLANTS, FLOWERS, HONEY PRESERVES, JELLIES JAMS, FRESH CIDER DONUTS.

I MEAN, I, I DO KIND OF AGREE WITH LOU THOUGH.

I DON'T WANNA GET INTO LIKE, MINUTIA DETAILS OF EVERY LITTLE ITEM THAT THEY SELL.

I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS ARE COMFORTABLE, IF IT BECOMES A MINI GROCERY MAR, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE POTENTIAL.

I I MEAN I, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ON THE LIST THAT I WAS SOMEWHAT SHOCKED BY.

FROZEN ITEMS, RAVIOLI, PASTAS, I MEAN, I POT PIES.

WELL, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU CAN TAKE THAT.

UH, IS THAT THE DOCUMENT, DIANE, THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO THERE? THEIR LIST? NO, I MEAN, YOU TAKE THEIR LIST, YOU TAKE THEIR LIST, THE LIST FROM YOUR DECISION.

THAT'S THEIR LIST, RIGHT? THAT'S THEIR LIST, YES.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M SORRY.

I'M ASSUMING THAT LIST IS BASED ON WHAT THEY SELL AT THEIR OTHER LOCATION.

SO, I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM SELLING THOSE THINGS, PER SE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM SELLING IT.

BUT IF IT EXPANDS TO OTHER LOCATIONS, , WHICH IT CERTAINLY CAN.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN? OH, I, I MEAN, I DON'T CARE IF THE OTHER ONE WANTS TO SELL THOSE THINGS.

I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME SPACE.

I'M LISTENING .

I DON'T, I'M JUST, I'M NOT, I DON'T FIND IT OBJECTIONABLE THAT THEY'RE WANNA SELL RAVIOLI.

I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT, THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE SURROUNDING USE OR THE PROPERTY OR ANY, ANYTHING ELSE.

I MEAN, IT'S ONE THING IF THEY WANNA TEAR IT DOWN AND PUT UP A SHOPRITE, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

BUT

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AND IF WESTCHESTER FARMS SAYS, OH, THEY GET TO SELL DIFFERENT THINGS, THEN THEY COME BACK AND WE EVALUATE THAT APPLICATION AT THE TIME.

BUT I AGREE ALSO, I DON'T THINK WE, WE SHOULD REALLY BE NITPICKING WHAT THEY WANNA SELL.

BUT I GET IT NOT, WE DON'T WANT IT TO TURN INTO SOME LARGE GROCERY STORE, BUT I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS.

SO IN SHORT, I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT HOW THE DECISION, HOW IT IS.

I AGREE WITH, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PULL EACH OF YOU ON THIS.

I'VE HEARD WHAT CHRISTIE HAS TO SAY.

SHANA.

UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT AS IT IS.

OKAY, LOU, I'M IN FAVOR.

AM IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT AS IT IS.

SO THAT LEAVES THE TWO OF US .

I SAY, I SAY IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING FORWARD, UM, I, I AM NOT THAT STUCK ON IT.

LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AS IS.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT.

UM, I PROBABLY WOULD.

I JUST SENT, NOT WITH RESPECT TO THE ITEMS, BUT NOT WITH RESPECT TO THEIR ABILITY TO EXPAND THE WAY THEY WISH TO EXPAND.

BUT I DON'T WANNA GET THIS TOO COMPLICATED, BUT YOU HAVE ENOUGH VOTES TO PASS IT THROUGH SO WE CAN MOVE ON.

SO DOES THAT MEAN WE'RE READING THIS DECISION TONIGHT? WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ IT NECESSARILY, DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME IT IS.

YOU CAN JUST SAY THE, THE DECISION IS, UH, WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE SECRETARY FOR FILING.

AND WHEN IT'S AVAILABLE, IT'LL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

I UNDERSTAND.

YOU'LL HAVE TO, EXCEPT YOU WILL HAVE TO READ THE MOTION.

THE MOTION AND THE CONDITIONS, NOT THE FINDINGS.

SO SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO THE MOTION, BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADOPT THE NEG DECK.

WELL, THAT I CAN DO WHAT I'M SAYING.

THE SECRET DETERMINATION MUST COME FIRST.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING SINCE I'M NOT PARTICULARLY IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.

RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND.

I DON'T WANNA BE THE ONE TO PROPOSE IT.

THEN I PROPOSED WE PASSED THE, NO, YOU'LL HAVE TO READ IT.

OH, I DON'T HAVE IT THEN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS I'M SUPPOSED TO READ.

I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

SORRY.

OH, YOU JUST READ THE MOTION.

DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT? IT'S THE DRAFT.

IT'S THE DRAFT DECISION.

I'D HAVE TO OPEN THAT UP.

IT'S DRAFT DECISION ON TOP.

I CANNOT LET SOMEBODY ELSE READ IT.

'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE IT OPEN.

I DON'T HAVE TWO WINDOWS HERE GOING.

I GUESS I COULD, I DUNNO HOW TO, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT NOW.

IT'S JUST WHEN WE GET BACK ON THE RECORD.

YEAH, YOU CAN, WE CAN RE WE CAN RE-MAIL THAT TO YOU SO IT'S FRESH IN.

I CAN READ IT.

THAT'S, THAT'S HELPFUL.

CHRIS, CHRIS COULD SAVE ME.

GOING TO OUR NEXT CASE.

WHY AM I ALWAYS LOSING MY AGENDA? SO WE HAVE SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB.

SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB, .

UM, WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO DO THE BALLOON? DO WE KNOW IN ALL LIKELIHOOD? UM, MID NEXT WEEK WE'LL HAVE THAT DATE.

UM, PROBABLY WE SHOULD HAVE THAT DATE NAILED.

TOOK, NAILED DOWN TOMORROW.

AND IS THERE A PROPOSAL AS TO HOW ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THIS VIEW FROM LOCATIONS THAT THEY'RE, UH, HAVE, HAVE MENTIONED TONIGHT? OR ARE WE JUST KIND OF, SO WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BROADLY BROADCAST THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE OCCURRENCE OF THIS FLYING THIS BALLOON.

SO WE HAVE A BROAD DISTRIBUTION LIST VIA, UM, THOSE WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, RECEIVED THE ZOOM TONIGHT.

UH, PROPERTY MANAGERS.

SO, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE THE ZONING BOARD AWARE, OF COURSE.

AND, UM, WE'LL USE OUR DISTRIBUTION CHANNELS VIA EMAIL TO ALERT THE TIME AND DAY OF THAT BALLOON.

UM, THEY'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR SEVERAL

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HOURS.

SO REALLY, UM, ANYONE CAN TAKE A PHOTO FROM ANY VANTAGE POINT AND SEND IT TO US.

UH, IF THEY SEE THAT BALLOON, IF THEY DON'T SEE THAT BALLOON, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S INFORMATION AS WELL.

UM, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE OBSERVED BY MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD AND IT WILL BE A FORMAL SITE VISIT OF THE TOWN BOARD.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND WHERE ARE THEY GONNA GO? DO THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING? SO THEY LOOK AT THIS FROM, UH, I SUSPECT, UM, THEY WILL BE ON SITE.

THEY WILL START ON SITE.

AND IF THERE'S OTHER VANTAGE POINTS THEY WANNA SEE OFFSITE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, PERHAPS THEY'LL COLLECTIVELY GO THERE.

UM, WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT MAYBE THE BOARD, THE Z B A MEMBERS SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME, THEY SHOULD GO OUT WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE TOWN BOARD.

SO WHAT I'M INDICATING IS THE MOMENT THAT WE KNOW THE DATE AND TIME, I WILL, UM, MAKE SURE THAT EVERY ZONING BOARD MEMBER'S AWARE AND WHERE THE MEETING PLACE IS, AND, UM, THAT WAY ANY ZONING BOARD MEMBER THAT WANTS TO ATTEND CAN BE THERE AS ANY ANYONE DISCUSSED EITHER AMONGST THEMSELVES IN THE TOWN OR WITH THE APPLICANT.

HOW MANY BALLOONS AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

SO WE WILL, UM, WE WILL, WE WILL VERIFY THAT, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK, UH, AT LEAST TWO, MAYBE ONE FOR THE 90 FOOT, ONE FOR THE 75, UM, IT MIGHT BE TOO REDUNDANT TO DO MULTIPLE, BUT, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL TALK THAT THROUGH WITH THE APPLICANT RIGHT.

AT EITHER END I WOULD THINK PERHAPS THEY'LL DO YEAH.

AT EITHER END OR MAYBE THEY'LL DO ALL FOUR.

WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL SPEAK TO ABOUT THAT.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BALLOON? SO WHAT THE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEY'LL FLY A HELIUM BALLOON ON A NON WINDY DAY TO THE EXACT HEIGHT OF THE, UM, HIGHEST POINT OF THE POLE AND, AND THE NETTING.

AND THAT WILL REMAIN FIXED FOR SEVERAL HOURS.

AND FROM THERE THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE PHOTOS TAKEN AND THEN THEY CAN SUPERIMPOSE THE NET IN PLACE OF THE TOP OF THE BALLOON.

BUT, UM, IN THE FIELD YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE REAL TIME, UM, HOW HIGH THAT, THAT THE HIGHEST POLE WILL BE.

SO I, I THOUGHT EVE'S QUESTION WAS THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE SAYING WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT IT FROM THEIR BUILDING.

AND WE SUSPECT THEY WILL.

SO WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CALL THE PROPERTY LIKE MR. FLOCKO, AS AN EXAMPLE, REPRESENTS TWO BUILDINGS.

UM, IF THE, THE, THE BALLOON IS FLOWN FOR, YOU KNOW, FOUR HOURS ON THURSDAY, UM, HE WILL ADVISE EVERY RESIDENT IN HIS PLACE TO FEEL FREE TO WALK OUT ON THEIR DECK AND TAKE A PICTURE IN THE DIRECTION OF THE BLOWN.

AND PRESUMABLY MEMBERS OF THE BOARDS AS WELL? ABSOLUTELY.

THE INVITATION WAS EXTENDED.

UM, MY FEELING IS THAT THOUGH, I MEAN THE LENGTH OF, OR THE WIDTH OF THE NETTING IS LIKE, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT, UH, DIMENSION, BUT IT WAS LIKE OVER A HUNDRED FEET, 50, 150 FEET.

SO OVER THE, UH, EXPANSE OF THAT WIDTH, THE, UM, THE, THE GROUND IS GOING TO CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND ONE BALLOON ISN'T GOING TO REALLY BE SUFFICIENT.

YOU PROBABLY NEED A BALLOON FOR EACH POLE.

WE INDICATED NO, NO LESS THAN, UH, TWO, BUT PERHAPS, UH, A BALLOON OF EACH POLE IS APPROPRIATE.

BECAUSE SOMEBODY WILL SAY, WELL, YOU, YOU PUT A BALLOON WAY DOWN THERE, BUT I'M 150 FEET AWAY, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I'M NOT GONNA SEE IT, BUT WHERE'S THE BALLOON THAT, THAT'S GONNA PULL AT THE POLL THAT'S GONNA BE CLOSEST TO MY RESIDENCE.

I THINK, UM, MULTIPLE POLLS MAKE SENSE AND, UM, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT'S AWARE OF THAT .

NOW THE PURPOSES TO, TO WHAT? SO YEAH, SO, SO AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, DOCUMENTATION WAS SUBMITTED, UH, BY A RESIDENT WHERE THEY SKETCHED IN WHERE THEY THOUGHT RIGHT.

HOW HIGH THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD GO.

UM, THE BALLOON WILL SORT OF BE THE TRUTH SERUM, IF YOU WILL.

UM, IT WILL VERIFY WHETHER YOU CAN INDEED SEE IT FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT.

SO THAT'S FOR THE BUBBLE, NOT FOR THE NETTING? NO, THIS IS ALL FOR NO, THAT'S FOR THE NETTING.

EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE NETTING.

NETTING.

EXCEPT IF, EXCEPT THE BALLOONS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A RIDICULOUS TEST BECAUSE THE 19 TREES HAVEN'T BEEN CUT DOWN YET.

THE, THE 1919 TREES DON'T REALLY HAVE THE TREES.

THE 19 TREES FOLLOW THE ROUTE OF THE NETTING.

WE DON'T KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE TREES.

YEAH, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOWER.

SO IF THESE BALLOONS GO HIGHER THAN TREES, UM, IN THE AREA, THEN THAT WILL BE VERY TELLING.

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THOSE TREES ARE PRETTY TALL AND THEN PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LIKE, OH, I DON'T SEE THE BALLOONS, BECAUSE THE TREES ARE BLOCKING THE BALLOONS.

BUT THEN WHEN THEY GO TO PUT THE NETTING UP, THE TREES WILL BE GONE.

BUT THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE, THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE, THE BALLOON WHERE THE TREE IS.

SO IF THEY CAN'T SEE THAT BALLOON AND THERE'S TREES, UH, BEHIND IT THAT ARE NOT COMING OUT, THAT THOSE TREES WOULD INDEED, UH, OBSCURE THE BALLOON.

AND SOMEONE FROM THE TOWN WILL HAVE TO VERIFY THAT THE, THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE HAVING IT IS IN, IN FACT, THE HEIGHT THAT IS, WE'LL VERIFY THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 'EM TAKE OUT THE TREES AND FLY THE BALLOON.

SO THERE'S REALLY NO, OF COURSE NOT.

THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE THOUGH.

RIGHT? IF THE TREES ARE GONNA BLOCK THE BALLOON, THE TEST DOESN'T SHOW ANYTHING.

WELL, THERE'S A SERIES OF TREES THAT ARE COMPARABLE HEIGHT IN THAT AREA, BUT ULTIMATELY IT, IT WILL, IT WILL BE GENERATED WITH VISUALS.

UM, AND, AND THAT WILL HAVE TO BE EXPLAINED.

THEY'LL HAVE TO GET A TREE PERMIT TOO, RIGHT? WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE TAKING DOWN THE TREES? YES.

UH, THEY'RE PLANT NEW TREES AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

NO, BECAUSE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOTTEN AN ARBORIST TO SAY THAT THE TREES WEREN'T PERFECTLY HEALTHY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE THEM.

UH, BUT TO COMPLY WITH THE TREE, THE TREE LAW, THEY WILL HAVE TO REPLACE, UH, THERE WILL BE TREE REPLACEMENTS.

I, I, I WAS TOLD THAT IF, IF THE TREES, OKAY, SO I'M LEARNING SOMETHING NEW.

I WAS RECENTLY TOLD HERE AT GOLF COURSE THAT IF YOU SAY THAT THE TREE WASN'T HEALTHY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLACE IT WHEN YOU CUT IT DOWN.

THAT IN THE TOWN OF GREENBURG, THAT'S OF GREENBURG, YOUR GOLF WHERE YOU PLAY GOLF.

ANDREWS I WAS, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A TREE THAT'S 100% DEAD, UM, THERE MAY NOT BE A REPLACEMENT VALUE.

I'D HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH AARON.

UM, BUT, UH, FOR LIVING TREES, AARON IS THE .

YEAH, SORRY.

UH, THERE'S TYPICALLY A TREE REPLACEMENT VALUE FOR LIVE TREES, WHICH THESE ARE, THESE ARE NOT DEAD TREES.

AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE VIEWPOINT ON THIS SITE VISIT MAY NOT ONLY BE FROM THE EAST HARTSDALE AVENUE, IT COULD BE FROM THE INSIDE OF THE GOLF COURSE TOO.

SO YOU GET DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

PLUS I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY ONE OF THE OPPONENTS SEEM TO INDICATE THAT, UH, THE NETTING IS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN WHERE THE TREES ARE PRESENTLY.

AM I CORRECT, GARRETT? YEAH.

I'M GONNA, UH, SHARE THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

LET ME SHARE THAT, UH, IN A MOMENT HERE.

AND, UH, WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, I ALSO THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THEM BRING A SAMPLE OF THE NETTING.

RESPONSE MEETING.

BECAUSE I'VE SEEN AND HEARD, UM, PEOPLE USING THE TERM FENCE AND NETTING SYNONYMOUSLY WHEN IN FACT THE NETTING DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A CHAINLINK FENCE.

SO THERE, THERE'S A CLAIM THAT THIS, THIS COULD BE WHAT THE NETTING WILL LOOK LIKE.

UH, THESE ARE TWO SKETCHES, UH, FROM I SAW THAT RESIDENT.

AND, UM, SO THIS IS WHAT A BLOOM TEST WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD ASSIST WITH.

HOW HIGH IS THAT BUILDING IN THE FOREGROUND? NOT SURE, BUT TYPICALLY THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SIX TO SEVEN STORY BUILDINGS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUITE HIGH.

WELL, EXCEPT IN A 90 FEET WOULD BE TALLER THAN THAT BUILDING, WHEREAS, WELL, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE LOWEST PART OF IT IS, AT LEAST 70 FEET.

THAT'S A SEVEN STORY BUILDING.

WHAT ABOUT THE BUILDING TO THE RIGHT? YEAH, THAT ONE.

WHAT'S THE STORY? HIGHER, BUT COULD BE MISLEADING BECAUSE OF THE GRADE.

SO, BUT I MEAN, THEY WENT THROUGH THIS IN SOME DETAIL, UM, SOME MONTHS AGO WHERE THEY WERE SAYING, YEAH, IT'S 90 FEET TALL, BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE ONE POLE THAT IS YES.

20 FEET LOWER THAN THE NEXT POLE OVER, WHICH IS .

CORRECT? CORRECT.

THEY SAID THAT THE, THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS 90, AND I THINK THE OTHERS WERE AS LOW AS 70 I, UH, AND THEY INDICATED THAT THE POLE THAT GOES AS HIGH AS 90 WILL BE EQUIDISTANT OR LOWER THAN THOSE THAT ARE 75 BECAUSE IT'S DOWN IN A, UM, BE EQUIDISTANT, IT WOULD BE THE SAME HEIGHT OR SAME HEIGHT, THANK YOU.

EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE A NINE STORY BUILDING HIGH ON A LEVEL GROUND.

SO WHEREAS PEOPLE ARE, ARE ALLUDING TO A 90 FOOT POLE, MEANING THAT THE NETTING IS GOING TO BE 90 FEET TALL, AND SO THEREFORE

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AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

SO IF ANYTHING, I THINK THAT'S ONE IMPORTANT FACTOR THAT THE BALLOON TEST WILL BRING TO LIGHT, RIGHT? IS, OKAY, HERE'S A NINE, HERE'S WHERE THE 90 FOOT POLE IS BECAUSE HERE'S A 90 FOOT BALLOON, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, DOWN IN A GRADE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, 20 FEET LOWER THAN THE NEXT POLE.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ALL THE BALLOONS ARE MORE OR LESS AT THE SAME HEIGHT.

AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION AUTHORITATIVELY.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT BALLOON TEST.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE BIRDS, WHICH I, I HAD RAISED BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS.

I MEAN, I DON'T AT THIS POINT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE DOES, BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC TONIGHT ON THAT ISSUE.

AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT WE GOT WAS VERY DETAILED ABOUT THE, UH, YOU MEAN THE LETTER FROM THE BIRD WATCHER, RIGHT? , YEAH.

NAMED ALL THE BIRDS THAT FLY IN WESTCHESTER GOLF COURSE.

NO, NOT IN WESTCHESTER .

I KNOW, I, I'M, I'M BEING FACETIOUS, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVE A LOT OF BIRDS THAT FLY AROUND IN MY BACKYARD AND THEY ARE SOME PRETTY SMART CREATURES.

THEY ARE.

WE JUST DON'T GO FLYING, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, INTO, I, I SEE THEM FLY INTO MY TREES WITHOUT GETTING A SCRATCH, YOU KNOW? AND IF IT BRANCHES ALL OVER THE PLACE, IT, IT'S, YEAH.

BUT LOU, LOU STRONG, YES.

THERE ARE OTHER BIRDS THAT FLY INTO HOUSES, GLASS, GLASS, UH, INTO WINDOWS.

WELL, USUALLY BECAUSE OF THE GLARE, THEY, THEY THINK THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S THE SKY BECAUSE IT'S REFLECTING BACKWARDS.

I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO, WELL, I, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE A LETTER FROM THE OPPONENT AND WE HAVE, I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME DOCUMENTATION BY THE CLUB TO THE, UH, OPPOSITE EFFECT THAT, THAT THEY'RE USING, UH, MATERIAL THAT IS USED IN AVIARIES AND IT'S BEEN PROVEN SAFE.

AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, THE TOWN COULD SUBMIT BOTH OF THOSE TO AN EXPERT, FIND AN EXPERT, AND GET AN OPINION THAT WOULD, I WAS GONNA SAY, IF THE TOWN WANTS TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE PERFECT.

IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S A CONCERN OF THE, OF THE BOARD, WE WILL DO THAT.

WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THE OUTREACH.

WE REACHED OUT TO THE D E C I SPOKE TO SOMEONE, UM, THEY HAD INDICATED THEIR, TO THE BEST OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE, THEY'RE ONLY AWARE OF, UH, BUILDING DESIGN THAT CAN BE CHANGED.

UM, BUT SOMEONE AT THIS, UH, TOWN BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT REFERENCED CORNELL, UM, COOPERATIVE EXTENSION AND THEN THE AUTO BOND SOCIETY.

SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO OUTREACH AND, UM, THE SAME EMAIL THAT I SENT TO THE D E C, I CAN SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE IN ONE OF THOSE, UM, AGENCIES THAT I CAN GET A RESPONSE FROM.

UH, THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE.

PERSONALLY, I, WHAT WAS BOTHERING WHAT WAS BOTHERING ME A LOT WAS THE, UM, THE, THE SENSE OF SUSPICION FROM THE, UH, HOMEOWNERS THAT WERE SPEAKING AGAINST, UH, WHATEVER THE CLUB WAS TRYING TO DO, THAT WHAT A ANYTHING THAT WAS BEING DONE WAS EITHER, UM, FALSE OR AN EXAGGERATION OF WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE.

IT WAS ALMOST AS IF, UM, THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT WHEN THEY SAY THEY BROUGHT AN EXPERT IN THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T BRING AN EXPERT IN.

AND, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THAT LEVEL OF, OF SUSPICION, I, IT BOTHERS ME A BIT, YOU KNOW, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE DECISION IS GOING TO BE, BUT IT, IT SEEMS AS IF NOBODY REALLY BELIEVES WHAT PEOPLES ARE TELLING YOU AND IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH .

WELL, I THINK YOU ALSO, ALSO, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEIR EXPERIENCE, HOW THOSE PEOPLE HAVE LIVED IN THE BUILDINGS FOR 30, 40 YEARS OR MORE, OR LIVED IN THE TOWN AND THEY KNOW THE HISTORY.

THERE'S BEEN A VERY ANTAGONISTIC RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN IN THE AREA AND THE CLUB AS THEY'VE EXPANDED AND BUILT A WALL CHANGED, UH, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS.

SO YOU'RE SEEING THAT KIND OF HISTORY KIND OF HISTORY BETWEEN THE TWO.

YOU CAN SEE THE TENSION AS THEY TALK TO EACH OTHER.

HMM.

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BUT YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS LIKE WITH THE FLOODING AND THE TENNIS, UH, BUBBLE, UM, , THE FLOODING MITIGATION THAT THEY ARE PUTTING IN WITH THE DRAINAGE AND THE AX AND ALL THAT STUFF WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WOULD NORMALLY IMPACT THE, UH, THE FLOOD ZONE.

NOW, IS IT GOING TO STOP ALL FLOODING? OF COURSE NOT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE FLOODING.

IT'S GOING TO DECREASE IT.

BUT IT, THE, THE, THE SENSE WAS THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE OUR FLOODING AND, YOU KNOW, UM, WITH THE LAWYER, UH, STEVE, STEVEN WAS, WAS TRYING TO MAKE THAT POINT PERFECTLY CLEAR AND THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR IT.

BUT IT'S WHO YOU MUST HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE JANUARY 6TH HEARINGS , UH, TO WHAT, TO WHATEVER DEGREE I CAN.

YES, BUT IT'S, UM, BUT IT'S JUST A RATIONAL, UM, FACT THAT WHEN YOU'RE GONNA PUT IN ALL THOSE DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN THERE, IT WILL MITIGATE THE FLOODING, AT LEAST FROM THAT AREA.

I FEEL THAT PEOPLE CAN FOCUS ON THAT.

THEY'RE JUST ALL CONSUMED BY THE NETTING AND THE VIEWS .

BUT THERE WAS SOME, THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS.

YOU, I MEAN, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THE TENNIS BUBBLE WOULD'VE BEEN THE BIG CONTROVERSIAL THING.

I MEAN, WELL, WE, THERE WAS A COMMENT TONIGHT, AND OF COURSE WE'VE HEARD THAT FROM IN THE LAST TWO HEARINGS.

OH YEAH.

THE ONE ABOUT MOVING THE TENNIS COURT ALTOGETHER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, UH, CLUB GOLF COURSE.

ANYWAY, SO WHAT ARE WE, OUR NEXT STEPS WITH THIS? WE HAVE TO ADJOURN THIS.

HOW ABOUT QUESTION CAN'T UNTIL THAT MONTH, WHAT ARE WE GONNA ASK OTHER THAN THE BALLOON AND THE NETTING AND THE NETTING? CHRISSY, I YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT EXPENSE WITH RESPECT TO VETTING.

WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THEY TALKED ABOUT GETTING, OH, I, I JUST THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED EXCESSIVE TO TRY TO GET OPINIONS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW.

I WAS SATISFIED WITH THE WOMAN FROM THE AUDUBON SOCIETY WHO SAID THAT IT, THE NETTING WASN'T GONNA AFFECT THE BIRDS.

I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE NETTING IS EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT THEY DO HAVE NETTING UP THAT THEY PUT UP BEFORE.

UH, AND SO FAR THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE HEARD OF RAISED THROUGHOUT THESE HEARINGS AT ALL.

ARE YOU SURE THOSE THAT IS GARRETT.

IS THAT NETTING ON, ON THE SCARSDALE GOLF COURSE? WE DENIED.

UH, YOU DENIED THE, THEIR LAST TIME I THOUGHT THEY HAD, SO I THOUGHT THEY HAD SOMETHING UP.

THERE WAS ANOTHER SUNNINGDALE OR THERE WAS A DIFFERENT, DIDN'T LEEWOOD, DIDN'T THEY SAY LEEWOOD THE NET? YEAH.

BUT THAT, THAT'S WHY I THINK IN AUGUST IT'S GOOD, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO BRING AN ACTUAL SAMPLE OF THE NETTING SINCE WE'LL BE IN PERSON, AT LEAST WE SHOULD BE IN PERSON IN TOWN HALL SO THAT MEMBERS FROM THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTS TO COME IN COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHAT THE NETTING LOOKS LIKE.

BECAUSE THERE'S NETTING AND THERE'S NETTING, RIGHT.

THERE'S SOME SOFT FORCES.

BUT FROM A BIRD'S EYE VIEW IS VERY DIFFERENT.

BIRDS HAVE REALLY GOOD VISION.

THE SAME BECAUSE THE TENNIS COURT'S ALWAYS THERE, BUT IN THE WINTER YOU HAVE IT ON THE BUBBLE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO THE GROUND, IT'S GOING OFF TO THE SIDES.

WHEN THEY FLY IN FRONT OF YOUR CAR AND THEY DIVE IN FRONT OF IT AS THEY, AS YOU'RE DRIVING AND YOU GO, WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT? ? THEY, THEY HAVE VERY GOOD VISION.

AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN LITTLE CADRE OF BIRDS THAT I FEED EVERY DAY HERE AT THE OFFICE.

LEWIS, JUST TO DEAL WITH YOUR, YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THEM NOT BELIE THE, THE CITIZENS NOT BELIEVING THE GOLF CLUB IN TERMS OF THE FLOODING, I THINK THAT PART OF IT MAY BE THAT THERE WILL BE INCREASED RUNOFF BECAUSE OF THE BUBBLE.

BECAUSE ALL THE ENTIRE AREA THAT THE BUBBLE IS COVERING IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO ABSORB WATER.

SO THEREFORE IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN OFFSETTING, EQUALLY OFFSETTING OR LESS THAN OFFSETTING THE LOSS OF LAND THAT'S ABLE TO ABSORB WATER.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A TON OF COURT THERE AND THE LACK OF BELIEF.

YEAH, THERE'S THERE IN THE WINTER AND THE, IN THE REST OF THE YEAR, IT'S PRETTY MUCH

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SO THERE YOU DO HAVE MORE IMPACT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.

SO THEY'RE WORRIED THAT THAT WILL, THAT THE, WHATEVER THE MITIGATION IS, WON'T BE ENOUGH TO ABSORB A MAJOR SNOWSTORMS RUNOFF.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT THEY ALSO, THE, THE, THE CLUB SAID THAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, I GUESS HAND, HAND HAND, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY JUST GET THE CREW OUT THERE AND MOVE IT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD DO.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

SO IN, IN, IN ACTUALITY, I'VE, I HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM IN THE BACK OF MY DRIVEWAY.

ME TOO.

MY HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE THE TOWN OF GREENBERG, UH, INSTITUTED THE, UM, THE, THE DRAINAGE LAWS ABOUT TAKING CARE OF ALL YOUR ROOF, UH, THE RAIN, UM, SO YOU CAN GOOGLE IT AND GIVES YOU THE CALCULATIONS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR YOUR, UH, ROOF, UH, RUNOFF.

AND TO MY SURPRISE, WITH, UM, ONE INCH OF RAIN, I GET 1,268 GALLONS OF WATER IN THE BACK OF MY DRIVEWAY CREATING A, A LITTLE PUMP.

SO I'M NOW IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND DIG OUT THE BACK OF MY DRIVEWAY, FOUR FEET DEEP, FOUR FEET WIDE, AND 11 FEET LONG TO PUT IN THREE CULTEC DRAINS THAT WILL, UM, TAKE UP ABOUT 1600 GALLONS OF WATER SO THAT IT CAN FILTRATE INTO THE GROUND PROPERLY AND NOT DO THE FLOODING.

AND NOW I'M JUST A EVERYDAY RESIDENT WHO GOOGLED, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE, UH, WATER RUNOFF? NOW THERE ARE ENGINEERS AND EXPERTS WHO DO THIS FOR A LIVING, AND THEY KNOW HOW MUCH WATER IS GOING TO RUN OFF OF A, A BUBBLE, UM, OR AN, UH, UM, UH, A TENNIS COURT AND THEY'LL CALCULATE IT.

AND FROM THE DRAWINGS THAT I SAW, WHICH HAS BEEN SOME MONTHS NOW, BUT THEY SHOWED WHERE THE, THE DRAINS ARE GOING TO BE PLACED, AND IT SEEMS AS IF THAT WOULD BE A SATISFACTORY MITIGATION DRAINAGE SOLUTION.

SO LOOKING AT THE DRAWINGS AND UNDERSTANDING HOW MUCH WATER THEY HAVE TO GET RID OF SO THAT IT DOESN'T ADD TO THE CURRENT FLOODING PROBLEMS, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.

NOW, IS THAT GOING TO TAKE CARE OF A 200 YEAR STORM? I, I DOUBT IT.

BUT YOU DON'T NORMALLY PLAN FOR THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DON'T EXPLAIN THIS TO THE RESIDENTS PROPERLY, OR IF THE RESIDENTS DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH, THEN WE, THERE'S A, A DIFFERENT PROBLEM THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BUT NONE OF WHICH HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE APPLICATION BEFORE US AND WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO, UH, APPROVE OR DENY THEIR REQUESTS FOR THE VARIANCES.

WHAT? THAT'S MY BIRTHDAY.

BUT CHRISTIE, AT ONE POINT YOU TRIED TO GET SOME WORDS IN REGARDING, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T THINK SO.

JUST NOW OR DURING THE, OH NO, I'VE ALREADY MADE UP.

I'LL JUST SAY LIKE, I'VE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND ON THIS ONE.

LIKE, I ALREADY KNOW HOW I'M GONNA VOTE.

NOTHING.

I, I AGREE.

NOTHING IS GONNA CHANGE WHAT YOU SAID.

NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE MY MIND.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

JUST EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID, LOU, ABOUT THE WATER.

UH, I THINK THAT THE NETTING IS A SAFE FOR SAFETY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT ONE 40.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE IS REALLY GONNA SEE IT FROM THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

I WAS JUST IN WHAT UH, ONE 20 TONIGHT, I GOT A VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THE NETTING FROM THAT BALCONY.

UH, SO I, I'VE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND ON THIS ONE.

I, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'M NOT GONNA BE AT THE MEETING ON NEXT MONTH.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

, I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING ON WITH THIS.

I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS OVER AND OPEN IT UP AND HAVE TO LISTEN.

YOU KNOW WHAT, WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO VOTE NEXT MONTH.

AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE I WON'T BE HERE EITHER.

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HAPPY YOUR BIRTHDAY.

I HAVEN'T HAD A VACATION THIS YEAR, SO.

WELL, LET ME, LEMME JUST FILL YOU IN.

UH, 'CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS MADE ABOUT, UH, NEXT MONTH'S MEETING, BEING IN PERSON.

, MAYBE .

UH, THE EXECUTIVE ORDER HAS BEEN EX EXTENDED TO AUGUST, BUT IT'LL BE BEFORE OUR MEETING.

IT'LL EXPIRE ON THE 14TH.

MM.

IF THE, UH, OMICRON OR WHATEVER VARIANT WE'RE UP TO IS STILL RAGING, I SUSPECT IT'LL BE EXTENDED AGAIN, WHICH MEANS THAT WE CAN HOLD THE MEETING FROM YOUR POINT OF CELEBRATION EVE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS, I WON'T BE ABLE TO BE THERE REGARDLESS WHETHER IT'S IN PERSON OR VIRTUAL.

I HAVE TO BRING MY SON TO COLLEGE.

I, I SEE CHRISTIE WAS SMART.

SHE, SHE, SHE'S COVERING IT BOTH BASES.

YOU I CAN, I'M SAYING I CANNOT CALL IN FOR THAT.

I, I'M GONNA BE BUSY.

SO, SO WHY, WHY DON'T WE JUST CHANGE IT TO THE SECOND THURSDAY IN AUGUST INSTEAD OF THE THIRD THURSDAY IN AUGUST, LIKE WE DID THIS MONTH? BECAUSE I, IT ALMOST SCREWED ME UP COMPLETELY BECAUSE I WAS REALLY EXPECTING NEXT THURSDAY, NOT THIS THURSDAY.

ANYWAY, I THINK WE'RE DIGRESSING.

UM, WE HAVE A FEW MORE CASES TO GET THROUGH.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO WRITE TO THE APPLICANT WITH RESPECT TO YEAH, THE SAMPLE.

THE BALLOON TEST.

AND WHAT ARE WE GONNA DECIDE? WAIT, YOU SAID THAT THE NO, THE, WE'RE ON FOR THE 18TH, AREN'T WE? 18TH? YES.

THE 18TH.

I'LL BE RECOVERING BY THEN.

I WILL NOT BE HERE.

I CAN'T, I CAN'T DO THE WEEK BEFORE BECAUSE I'M GONNA BE TRAVELING.

SO.

SO ENOUGH SAID.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THE APPLICANT? I MEAN, THEY'VE HIT US WITH EVERY, EVERY ARGUMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY WANNA DO.

SO I DON'T HAVE EVA.

IT WOULDN'T BE THE 18TH.

IT WOULD BE THE 11TH.

THE 14TH IS A SUNDAY.

WHY AM I LOOKING AT A CALENDAR THAT SAYS THE 18TH IS THE 20 AND AUGUST IS THE 11TH.

IT'S AUGUST 18TH IS THE 18TH IS THE 11TH IS THURSDAY.

YOU JUST SAID YOU'LL BE TRAVELING ON THE 14TH.

I'M SAYING NO, NO, I SAID ON THE, ON THE THURSDAY BEFORE.

THE 11TH.

SO CHANGING IT TO THE SECOND WEEK IN AUGUST WON'T WORK PERCENT? NO.

UNLESS WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.

AND THEN I'LL JUST PUT MY EARPLUGS IN MY EARS.

WELL, CAROL, WHY, WHY DON'T WE POLL, AT LEAST THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE PRESENT NOW, WE MIGHT AS WELL GET IT OVER WITH WHO CAN BE HERE NEXT MONTH AND WHO'S NOT GONNA BE HERE NEXT MONTH.

MAY.

ON THE 18TH.

ON THE 18TH AND HAVE A QUORUM.

WELL, WHAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT.

I HAVE TO GO GET SOME MY BOOK.

OKAY, SO CHRISTIE IS NO ON THE 18TH AND EVE IS NO, EVE IS NO ON THE 18TH.

CORRECT.

IF I HAD TO DO IT ON THE, ON THE, UH, 11TH, I GUESS I COULD, BECAUSE USUALLY OUR, OUR, OUR FLIGHT GETS US THERE IN THE AFTERNOON.

CHRISTIE, WHAT ABOUT THE 11TH FOR YOU? THAT'S FINE.

AND HOW ABOUT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON BOTH OF THOSE DATES? UM, EVE YOU BETTER PLAN ON FLYING OUT ON THE 11TH AND THAT WAY YOU MAY MAKE A FLIGHT BY THE 18TH .

AND IF YOU'RE FLYING INTO HEATHROW, YOU BETTER SEND YOUR LUGGAGE.

NOW I'M GOING TO SAY THOMAS AND I DON'T NEED LUGGAGE.

AND LOU DO, HOW'S YOUR SCHEDULE ON BOTH THOSE DATES? UH, RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE BOTH GOOD.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WHAT DATES? OKAY, THE 11TH, 30 18, I AM AVAILABLE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

LESS SO ON THE 11TH.

ACTUALLY, NO, I'M NOT AVAILABLE ON THE 11TH.

SORRY, I'M NOT OKAY.

ANY IDEA, DIANE, OR, OR DO YOU NEED TO? YEAH, RIGHT NOW I THINK BOTH OF THEM WORK FOR ME.

DECIDING WHAT THE GOSPEL WELL, WE CAN'T DECIDE IT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BALLOONS UP YET.

UM, SO SHOULD WE CONTINUE ON, ALRIGHT, SO THE QUESTION IS TONIGHT, ARE WE DECIDING IT OR WE ADJOURNING IT,

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SO YOU'RE, YOU ARE ADJOURNING IT.

NO, THAT'S WHY I SAID IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO WRITE ANYONE WITH REGARD TO OR NOT SAMPLE THE SAMPLE OF THE NETTING? THE SAMPLE OF THE NETTING? UM, I GUESS WE COULD PUT SOMETHING IN THE LETTER ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD WANT THE BALLOONS TO BE REFLECTIVE OF VARIOUS LOCATIONS AND HEIGHTS.

UM, BUT EACH OF THE, EACH OF THE POLES WOULD BE, I THINK, THE MINIMUM.

GOOD, GOOD IDEA.

GOOD SUGGESTION.

AND I ASSUME WHO EVER FROM THE TOWN IS MANAGING THIS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE BALLOONS ARE BEING FLOWN IN AWAY WHERE THAT THEY'RE NOT FOOLING THE TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED.

, GARRETT.

DO WE KNOW THE LOCATION OF THE TREES THAT ARE BEING, HAVE THEY SUBMITTED A PLAN AND SHOWING THE TREES? THAT WILL BE, YEAH.

WE CAN HAVE THEM, UM, PUT TAPE AROUND THOSE TREES.

ANYTHING ELSE ANYONE CAN THINK OF? DID YOU SAY YOU WANTED TO ASK THEM FOR THE LOCATION OF THE TREES OR WE CAN, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT.

THEY'RE, SO A PLAN, THEY'RE GONNA SPECIFY IN THE FIELD WITH RIBBONS, THOSE TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED TO COME DOWN SO THAT THE BELOW PUT THAT IN THE LETTER OF, UH, WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE LETTER.

SO I THINK WE'VE GIVEN THE GOLF COURSE ENOUGH EXERCISE FOR THE NIGHT.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON.

DID YOU WANT THAT, UH, THEM TO SUBMIT, UM, AN, AN OPINION FROM AN EXPERT ARBORIST OR NOT? NO, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE TOWN THERE.

WE'RE GONNA PUT THE, THE RIBBONS AROUND THE TREASON.

HOPEFULLY THE BALLOONS WILL BE PUT UP ACCORDINGLY SO THAT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING ACCURATE TO GAUGE HOW THE FUTURE WILL LOOK, WE HOPE.

UM, OKAY.

ONE MORE THING.

SO EVERYBODY DID UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE NETTING UP AND THEN HAVING THE, UH, GOLF CLUB BE ABLE TO WORK OR PRUNE THE EXISTING TREES THAT REMAIN, THAT THEY CAN WALK AROUND 150 FEET OF NETTING TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NETTING TO DO THE WORK AND KNOCK ON, MAYBE DON'T HAVE A GATE IN THE NETTING.

A GATE IN THE NETTING.

NOW THAT'S TOO RATS WHERE, WHERE BALLS DON'T GET HIT .

RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO, SO IT'S NOT AS IF THEY'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET A, A CHERRY PICKER THAT'S GONNA GO UP OVER THE NETTING TO DO WORK ON THE TREES.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

THEY SAID THEY'RE GONNA CLIMB THE TREES, WHICH THEY CERTAINLY CAN.

YEAH, I JUST HAD SOME TREES PRUNED, AND THE GUY JUST LIKE LIFTED HIMSELF UP.

I SAID, BOY, HE HAS NO FEAR OF HEIGHTS WHATSOEVER.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.

UM, BACK TO OUR, UH, UH, AGENDA.

MARIAN WOODS IS NEXT.

MARIAN WOODS.

UM, I'M GONNA BE QUIET FOR A WHILE, SO LET'S SEE WHAT EVERYONE HAS TO SAY.

I WAS MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF IT TILL I HEARD THE HISTORY AND THE INTENT AND THE FACT THAT, I MEAN, I THOUGHT THE LAWYER WAS VERY GLIB SAYING, OH, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE DECADES OF DECADES.

IT COULD BE TOMORROW THAT THEY FIND A DIFFERENT HOME THAT'S LESS COSTLY TO PUT THE NUNS IN AND MOVE THEM ALL OUT TOMORROW.

THAT'S THEIR RIGHT.

I MEAN, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THEN WHEN HE, WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT IT'S GONNA BE CONVERTED TO AN OFFICE, I GO, OKAY, WELL, AT LEAST IF IT'S AN OFFICE, IT'S QUIET AT NIGHT.

SO, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE, UM, THE, THE, THE ASSISTED LIVING FOR THE THE SISTERS? NO, I'M REFERRING TO THE EVENT, THE, THE MATCH THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IF WE DON'T SELL IT AS A, AS A ONE FAMILY HOUSE, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WELL, LEE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MANSION AND SHAUNA WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, ASSISTED LIVING.

YEAH, I WAS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I GET IT.

THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CREATED, CREATED A PRECEDENT, AND THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T HAVE JUST A STRAIGHT OFFICE IN ANY OF THESE, RIGHT? NO, I WAS THINKING, I WAS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT 10 ACRES COULD EASILY BE SUBDIVIDED VERY SOON.

IF WE CREATE A A, WE CREATE A SYSTEM WHERE WE'VE SAID IT'S OKAY TO DO

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JUST, JUST THINK BACK FIVE YEARS IN THIS AREA AS TO HOW MANY GOLF COURSES HAVE CLOSED MM-HMM.

, AND THEY WERE THRIVING.

THE AVERAGE AGE OF A NUN IN THE US IS SEVEN IS IN THE SEVENTIES.

SO HOW MANY YOUNG NUNS ARE THERE THAT ARE GOING TO NEED RETIREMENT HOMES IF THEY'RE ALREADY, THE AVERAGE AGE IS IN THEIR SEVENTIES.

SO THERE'S A CONVENT DOWN THE STREET.

THEY'RE JUST CLOSED.

AND, AND THE ONE, THE, THE RETIREMENT HOME ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY WHERE I WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL AND RYE CLOSED, THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY TO THE SCHOOL THAT I WENT TO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY TO FILL IT.

SO THAT COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WITH DEFINITELY WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

I ACTUALLY AGREE.

I WAS MORE FOR IT LAST WEEK UNTIL THE PEOPLE CAME ON AND TALKED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE MADE IN AGREEMENTS WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS FIRST SOLD.

BUT I, I'M STILL CONCERNED THAT THERE, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THAT HOUSE THERE, THERE IS SOME KIND OF HISTORY THERE FOR HARTSDALE AND THE COMMUNITY AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR.

WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT? I MEAN, THE THING IS THAT, OH, GO AHEAD.

GO.

EVEN IF YOU, EVEN IF WE DON'T PERMIT THIS SUBDIVISION AND THE, THEY WANNA SELL THE WHOLE SITE, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN FOR THE PLANNING BOARD FOR A SUBDIVISION APPLICATION TO PUT UP HOMES.

I MEAN, THERE'S REALLY NOT TOO MUCH THAT THE TOWN, IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, UNLESS THEY TRY TO SELL IT BACK TO THE, TO WHO, THE, WHOEVER OWNS THE MAR THE WOODS AROUND IT, THE COUNTY, THE TOWN, THE COUNTY AND THE STATE.

I MEAN, IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA GET THE COUNTY TO BUY IT, THAT'S THE MOVE .

IF YOU WANNA PRESERVE IT, HAVE THE COUNTY BUY IT AND MAKE IT, PUT IT BACK INTO THE PARK.

BUT I DON'T SEE HOW EVEN IF WE PERMIT A SUBDIVISION OF THE PROPERTY, WE'RE NOT PREVENTING DEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE, THAT THAT SITE IS, I GUARANTEE I THINK THAT THEY WILL SELL THAT SITE WITHIN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THAT EVERY, THE ARCHDIOCESE IS DIVESTING ITSELF OF EVERYTHING.

I MEAN, THEY SOLD GOOD COUNCIL IN WHITE PLAINS.

I MEAN, THEY ARE, THEY DON'T WANNA BE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND ISN'T IT THOUGH THE ACTUAL NUNS WHO OWN IT VERSUS THE ARCHDIOCESE NOW? I THOUGHT THEY WAS LIKE ALL THE SAME.

I DON'T KNOW.

, SO HAVE LIKE CHURCH ? WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S OWNED BY MARION WOODS, L L C, AT LEAST THIS ONE ACRE PARCEL.

GARRETT, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF, IF THE, UM, THE MANSION THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION GOES AWAY, LET'S SAY NOBODY CAN AFFORD TO RETAIN IT.

IT'S NOT LISTED AND THEREFORE NOT PROTECTED AS A LANDMARK, SO IT'S DEMOLISHED.

I NOTICED THAT THE, THE ZONING HERE IS R 20, IT'S NOT R 40.

SO IF THAT GOES AWAY, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT, THAT THAT PARCEL WOULD BE SUB DIVIDABLE INTO TWO RESIDENCES? TWO LOTS.

UM, I, I WILL TAKE A QUICK LOOK AT THE PROPOSED LOT SIZE.

UM, BUT IT, IT WOULD COME BACK FOR ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR THE 25 FOOT FURNISH.

YES, IT WOULD NEED THAT.

BUT THERE'S NO QUESTION IT WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE FOR FRONTAGE BECAUSE IT'S GOT ZERO.

BUT THE QUESTION IS, WELL, ONLY IF IT STAYED WHERE IT IS IF THEY JUST, IF THEY TEAR IT DOWN.

NO, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE NOT MOVING.

THE HYPOTHETICAL IS IF THE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED ON THE, THE STATE HOUSE AS IT IS, AND THEY KNOCKED THE HOUSE DOWN AND CAME BACK AND WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS.

WAS THAT THE QUESTION? YES.

BUT IT'S THEORETICALLY POSSIBLE.

THEY WOULD NEED ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR THE LOT, NOT HAVING 25 FOOT FURNISH ON THE TOWN APPROVED ROAD AND WHATEVER OTHER VARIANCES MAY BE NECESSARY, HYPOTHETICALLY, BUT THEY COULD SURE.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A GIVEN BECAUSE THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT HAS ZERO FRONTAGE, NO QUESTION.

WELL, YOU GOT LOT WIDTH, YOU GOT ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, A BIG HYPOTHETICAL WE'RE GOING FOR RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF THING IN FRONT OF US OR ANY TYPE OF APPLICATION.

IT WOULD, IT WOULD SATISFY THE, THE LOT SIZE REQUIRE LOT AREAS.

I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT VERY

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SOON THOUGH.

AND LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION, GARRETT.

THE 10 ACRES ON THE OTHER LOT, WHERE THE ASSISTED LIVING IS THAT REQUIREMENT IS USE SPECIFIC, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE REASON WHY IT REQUIRES 10 FEET, UH, 10 ACRE MINIMUM IS BECAUSE IT'S AN ASSISTED LIVING.

SO THE ASSISTED, SO THAT ACTUALLY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A CONDITION OF SITE PLAN PRIOR OR PRIOR, UM, UH, VARIANCE.

BUT THE PRESENT, UH, LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT IS, UH, FOUR ACRES FOR A, UM, ASSISTED LIVING AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO A STATE ROAD.

SO IT'S, IT'S NONCONFORMING, UH, IN SEVERAL RESPECTS.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION THAT THEY SAID THEY NEEDED THE 10 ACRES.

SO I, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, UM, THE 10 ACRES HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING IN THESE TOWN ZONING ORDINANCE.

REALLY? WHAT, WHERE IS IT? ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES ARE FOUR ACRE MINIMUM.

SO WHERE DID THE 10 COME FROM? I BELIEVE EVE YOU HAD INDICATED? YEAH.

I, I, I, I'D HAVE TO, UM, I I I'M NOT, IT'S, I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S NOT OUR HAND UP.

IT'S EITHER A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT, UH, SOMETHING OTHER THAT'S NOT RELATED TO TOWN CODE.

ALRIGHT, WELL THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK IN THE LETTER.

CAROL'S GOT AN ANSWER I THINK.

DOES SHE? I THINK IT'S IN OUR PACKETS.

I REMEMBER READING ABOUT IT.

I, I HEARD IT SAY TO KEEP THE RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION, THEY NEEDED TO HAVE AT LEAST THE 10 ACRES.

THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT ANY, YEAH, I'M UNAWARE OF A RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.

THAT OF 10 ACRES.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE OR IF IT'S IN TEXT.

I DON'T KNOW IN THIS COVENANT THERE APPEARS.

BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT IF, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADJOURN IT, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ASK IN THE LETTER.

IT WOULD.

AND THE OTHER THING, THE OTHER THING, GARRETT, HAVE WE EVER HEARD GOTTEN ANY INPUT FROM THE COUNTY AND, AND THE STATE ABOUT THIS? HAS IT BEEN REFERRED TO THEM? BECAUSE AS CO-OWNERS OF THE, UH, JOINING PROPERTY, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY, UM, DOCUMENTATION FROM EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE STATE.

BUT, UM, I, I'LL DOUBLE CHECK.

MAKE SURE THAT WE REFER IT TO RIGHT.

THAT MIGHT BE, UH, THAT MIGHT BE, UH, A REASON TO, UH, ADJOURN.

I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS THE BEGINNING THAT WE WERE GONNA REFER IT TO THE COUNTY TO SEE WHAT THEIR POSITION WAS.

SO, AND BY THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY, YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PARK? YES.

THE PARK IS OWNED BY, IN TRI-PART IN THREE BY THE COUNTY, THE STATE AND THE TOWN.

AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UH, WITNESSES TONIGHT MADE A POINT OF THAT.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE FEARFUL THAT THE WHOLE PARKLAND WOULD BE SUB DIVIDABLE.

THERE WILL BE, BUT IT'S NOT SUB DIVIDABLE IN ONE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE SMALLER THAN TO HAVE, NOT THE PARK PARKING ROOM, NOT NO PARK.

I MEANT, I MEANT THE, THE 10 ACRES.

OH, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PARK BECAUSE THERE WAS ONE PERSON THAT GOT, UM, GOT UP WHO WAS VERY FEARFUL THAT THE WHOLE AREA, INCLUDING THE PARK WOULD BE SUBDIVIDED IN MANY YEARS TO COME.

THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE.

WHO KNOWS? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S UNLIKELY BECAUSE PARKLAND IS ENTRUSTED WITH A PUBLIC TRUST AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT ONCE PARKLAND, UH, THE LAND IS DEDICATED TO A PARK TO UNDO IT.

IT REQUIRES A, UH, I BELIEVE, UH, STATE GO, UH, AN ACT OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT.

NOT EVEN THE TOWN STATE ENABLING OR COUNTY LEWIS? NOT EVEN THE COUNTY NO, THE STATE.

ABOUT JUST THE 10 ACRES OR THE WHOLE THING? NO, WE'RE TALKING, WELL, THE WHOLE PARK, WE'RE PARK THE PARK NOT THE 10 ACRES AND NOT THE ONE ACRE.

THIS IS THE SURROUNDING PARK.

THE COUNTY OWNED PARKLAND CANNOT BE SUBDIVIDED AND SOLD OFF IT.

THERE'S A WHOLE PROCESS TO UNDO PARKLAND AND IT INCLUDES STATE ENABLING LEGISLATION, STATE ENABLER.

AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D HAVE .

IT'S VERY COMPLEX.

AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

THAT TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR EARLIER QUESTIONS, UM, LOOKS LIKE THE LOT SIZE IS ROUGHLY 43,000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S AN R 20.

SO JUST SHEER, UM, UM, MATHEMATICS, UM, CONCEIVABLY, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE TWO LOTS.

BUT AGAIN, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD NOT HAVE FRONTAGE.

UM, AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO DEMOLISH THE WHOLE HOUSE, TAKE UP EVERY SITE FEATURE.

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WELL, I'M SAYING THE, THE I, THE, THE, THE, THE QUESTION WAS PREMISED ON THE HOUSE GOING AWAY BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE, IT'S DETERIORATED.

IT CAN'T, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE NUNS TO, UM, TO, UH, KEEP UP.

AND, UH, AND IT'S NOT PROTECTED AS A LANDMARK.

I I JUST DON'T SEE APPROVING IT.

I'M GETTING DOWN TO THE CORE AT THIS POINT.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THINKING WAS IN SAYING WE'RE GONNA HAVE THIS 13 ROOM, 13 BEDROOM HOUSE SOLD TO SOMEONE WITH ESSENTIALLY THIS PARKING, THE WAY IT'S SET UP AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOT AND WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND HOW POSSIBLY IT'S GONNA BE THAT DESIRABLE FOR A FAMILY TO BE IN.

THAT'S ME.

WELL, I BELIEVE COULD GET PROPERTY.

YEAH, THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

SO NO SINGLE FAMILY IS GONNA KEEP THAT BUILDING THE WAY IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN.

AND THEN YOU'VE CHANGED THE WHOLE, THAT'S WHERE THE WHOLE ZONING CHANGE COMES IN, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY'S BEEN INSIDE THE HOUSE FROM THE TOWN.

I, ALL RIGHT, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR FOUR VARIANCES.

UM, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

IT LOOKS AS IF WE'RE HEADING TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF THIS MANSION BEING LEFT TO DECAY AND THEN DEMOLISHED.

IF YOU DENY THE VARIANCES YES.

APPARENT ACCORDING TO THE PROOF, ACCORDING TO THE TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT.

BUT I, I'M THINKING EVEN IF WE, UH, APPROVED IT, YOU'D HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY WHO'D BE WILLING TO BUY A 13 BEDROOM MANSION WITH NO GARAGE.

UM, NO.

IF ANYTHING THAT PERS A PERSON MIGHT BUY IT WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF DEMOLISHING IT AND DOING WHAT YOU WERE, UH, ASKING FOR, WHICH IS, CAN YOU SUBDIVIDE IT INTO TWO R 20 LOTS AND BUILD HOMES ON IT? SO YOU COULD REQUEST IF, I MEAN, IF THAT'S YOUR, YOUR TRUE CONCERN, YOU COULD SIMPLY REQUEST A, UM, CONDITION THAT THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT.

AND I SUSPECT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE, UH, CONDITION RESTRICTION ALIENATION.

UH, YOUR OBVIOUSLY, I'M SAYING A CONDITION, UH, FOR NO FURTHER SUBDIVISION.

UM, IT'S, IT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE MULTIPLE TIMES.

BUT EVEN IF, EVEN IF THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SUBDIVIDE IT, IT'S A VERY DESIRABLE, IT'S A DESIRABLE LOT FOR SOMEBODY TO LIVE IN THE MIDDLE OF ARC LAND LIKE THAT.

THEY COULD JUST KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD A HOUSE WITH GARAGE.

OR THEY COULD RENOVATE, THEY COULD RENOVATE THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ALL SAYING YOU DON'T, YOU CAN'T IMAGINE ANYONE BEING INTERESTED IN BUYING IT, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT THAT'S SURROUNDED BY A PARK.

AND WHAT WOULD BE MORE DESIRABLE? UH, KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD A MCMANSION OR TWO.

KEEP IN MIND, , THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHERE THEY WOULD WANT TO RENOVATE THAT HOUSE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO RIGHT.

WOULD HAVE A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, THINK OF THE MONEY THE PEOPLE HAD THAT BUILT IT.

IT'S PROBABLY THE, THE WOOD IN THERE IS PROBABLY INCREDIBLE.

ALL THE CARVING AND EVERYTHING.

SO, AND YOU CAN'T REPLICATE THAT ANYMORE IF IT'S LAND, IF IT'S LANDMARK, THERE MAY BE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

LOOK WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ODELL HOUSE THAT'S EVEN OLDER.

WELL, I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING IT, IT'S ALMOST ME LIKE ODELL HOUSE PART B, EXCEPT THIS IS IN A LOT BETTER SHAPE.

A SECOND LOT ON THAT LOT.

AND THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THERE'S AN EQUAL GUARANTEE THAT A DEVELOPER BUYS IT, KNOCKS IT DOWN AND BUILDS TWO HOUSES.

UH, SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN.

THERE'S AN EQUAL CHANCE.

I MEAN, IT CAN GO EITHER WAY.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT A DEVELOPER, RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN, THE ZONING BOARD WOULD HAVE TO AUTHORIZE

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YOU WOULD HAVE TO SAY, WE, YOU KNOW, A ZONING BOARD WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE ALLOWING A SECOND THAT TO BEVI SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

IF THAT WAS AS OF RIGHT.

THAT THOUGHT IT COULD BE.

NO, IT'S, IT'S, THE ZONING IS DIFFERENT.

MAYBE IF YOU'RE LUKEWARM ON ONE LOT, I DON'T KNOW A ZONING BOARD THAT'S GONNA ENTHUSIASTICALLY APPROVE TWO.

BUT ED SAID, ED SAID THAT THE ZONING IS DIFFERENT.

IT'S, IT'S NOT ONE OFF ZONING, IT'S TWO.

IT'S A DIFFERENT ZONING.

OH, IT'S R 20 ZONING.

IT'S A, IT'S A HALF ACRE ZONE AND IT'S, THE LOT IS MORE, A LITTLE MORE THAN TWO, UH, MORE THAN ONE ACRE.

SO THEREFORE YOU CAN GET TWO HALF ACRE LOTS THAT AT LEAST CONFORM IN LOT AREA.

IN THEORY, DEPENDING ON THE SHAPE OF THE LOT, UH, THEY WOULD NEED OTHER VARIANCES LIKE FRONTAGE AND POSSIBLY SIDE YARDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO SAYING ALL OF THAT, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US? IT LEAVES US NOT GIVING THEM A F A R INCREASE FROM 7,000 FEET PERMITTED TO 13,400 PROPOSED.

MAYBE THE BOARD WANTS TO DO A VOTE.

CAN I JUST ASK WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT AND IT GETS RUN DOWN? SO THAT WAS POSED BY THE BOARD AT THE LAST, UM, MEETING, AND I BELIEVE THEY SUBMITTED, UH, PUT IN WRITING.

UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS? UM, THEY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN OFFICE GOING IN THERE THAT WAS JUST, THEY WERE SAYING THAT IT WAS AN OFFICE BUILDING AND THEY COULD ALWAYS, THEY COULD MAKE IT AN OFFICE BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA INVEST IN THE BUILDING.

I MEAN, NO, I TALKED ABOUT SELLING IT TO SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE AN OFFICE THERE.

I ASSUMED CAN'T DO THAT.

IT'S A .

NO, THEY CAN'T DO THAT.

I THINK THEIR, THEIR APPLICATION'S BEEN CONSISTENT THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES, UM, OR THE USE FOR THE, THE RESOURCES TO FIX THE BUILDING UP, NOR THEY OR, UH, PRACTICAL USE FOR THE BUILDING.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SURMISE WHAT THAT MEANS.

IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FALL INTO DISPAIR BEYOND WHAT IT'S NOW THE, THE, THE LAWYER RESPONDED.

DESCRIBE THE LETTER ASKED, DESCRIBE WHAT IMPACTS THERE WOULD BE FROM ARIAN WOODS IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUBDIVIDED AND THE VARIANCES ARE NOT GRANTED, THE ANSWER WAS BECAUSE THE MANSION HAD NOT BEEN UPGRADED BY THE PREVIOUS OCCUPANTS FOR MANY YEARS AND REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT INTERNAL UPDATES.

MARION WOODS WOULD BE FACED WITH UNACCEPTABLE EXPENDITURES TO EVEN RETAIN THE BUILDING AS IS THE ONLY OPTION THEN WOULD BE TO DEMOLISH IT.

AND THEY CAN ADD, UH, YOU, YOU ALSO ASKED WHETHER THERE WERE LOCATIONS ON THE LOT, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING AND IT CAN BE ADDED TO THE SITE.

I, YEAH, I I NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S NO ROOM ON THE SITE FOR PARKING.

BUT THE WAY THEY DREW THE LINES BEHIND, WELL, I THINK THEY WERE JUST GOING BY THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PROPOSING TO BUY IT ORIGINALLY.

WERE GONNA BE SATISFIED WITH POTENTIALLY TWO SPACES.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO.

DOESN'T MEAN ANYBODY ELSE WOULD WANT MORE PARKING SPACES.

THEY ALSO INDICATED THERE WAS GOING TO BE A EASEMENT GRANTED TO THAT HOME TO UTILIZE THE PARKING THAT'S UNDERUTILIZED, THAT EXISTS, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE PROPOSED PROPERTY.

BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.

I DON'T THINK PARKING'S THE ISSUE HERE.

WELL, IT, IT, IT IS WHATEVER YOU THINK IS IT IS.

YOU CAN MAKE IT AN ISSUE.

I MEAN, THEY SHOWED THE SPACES.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY WOULD BE TO ADJOURN IT AND FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST ON THE PART.

I KNOW THERE'S NO INTEREST ON THE PART OF THE PRESENT OWNER, BUT, UH, AFTER THEY'VE HEARD YOUR DISCUSSION, THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND ABOUT POSSIBLY WORKING WITH THE HISTORIC AND PRESERVATION BOARD TO LANDMARK, AND THEN GET POSSIBLE GRANTS TO, UH, TO RENOVATE IT.

OR APPROACH THE TOWN WITH A PROPOSAL TO SELL IT TO THE, UH, TO THE TOWN.

I'M GETTING A NOTE THAT MY INTERNET CONNECTION IS UNSTABLE.

OH, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

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I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THE TOWN AT THIS POINT IN TIME WANTING TO INVEST IN SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? NO, I, I AGREE.

WELL, LOOK AT, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE ODELL HOUSE WHERE IT'S JUST DONE THROUGH GRANTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WELL, SURE, BUT THERE'S DONATIONS ONE COMING FORWARD WITH, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, MANION.

WELL, IT'S POSSIBLE.

NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT.

I, I DOUBT ANYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I COULD GIVE A CALL TO THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AT ODELL HOUSE UNLESS THEM KNOW NO, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? CAN WE TAKE A STRUGGLE OF VOTE? JUST BECAUSE SEE WHERE WE ARE LOW.

I AM NOT PARTICULARLY INCLINED TO GRANT THESE VARIANCES.

THAT WAS A VERY LONG, NO.

CHRISTIE? I WOULD VOTE TO GRANT.

SHAUNA? UM, I'LL GO WITH LOUIS'S.

LONG.

, ARE YOU FROZEN THERE? YOU SAID DEBBIE.

YOU MEANT DIANE.

OH, DIANE.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M SO UNDECIDED ON THIS ONE.

I REALLY AM.

SO WE GOT ONE ON THE FENCE TOO.

OVER THE FENCE.

ONE WITH THE FENCE.

AND I, I DON'T, THE FENCE, I WOULD BE VERY, UH, SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO, TO GO WITH IT, TO ALLOW THEM, AS LONG AS THERE WAS SOMETHING WHERE THEY COULD NOT TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF SELLING IT IS SO THEY DON'T TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE, BUT ANYBODY COULD COME IN AND TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE.

ONCE THEY GET THE VARIANCE AND, AND DEPENDING ON THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE, THEY MIGHT HAVE TO TEAR DOWN PORTIONS OF THE HOUSE.

PROBLEM IS, NOBODY KNOWS.

NOBODY'S BEEN IN THERE.

THEY HAVEN'T, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED GARRETT, HAVE THEY SUBMITTED ANY STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS TO SAY WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE HOUSE IS? UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT, UH, WE CAN POSE THAT QUESTION IN CASE THEY HAVE NOT.

AND IS THIS THE ONE WHERE THE UH, ACTUALLY THE PLANNING BOARD IS, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT YOU GRANT THE VARIANCES? I KNOW, YEAH.

I, I THINK IT'S, PEOPLE WANNA SAVE THE HOUSE TOO, ON THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU CAN ADJOURN IT AND GIVE THEM ANOTHER MONTH TO WORK ON IT.

YEAH, I MEAN, HEARD THIS, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING, I WOULD ASK THEM IF THEY, YOU KNOW, DID THEY COME RIGHT OUT AND SAY THEY WOULDN'T WORK WITH THE HISTORIC BOARD OR THAT IT WOULD BE UP TO THE NEW OWNERS TO DO THAT? I THINK THEY SAID RIGHT.

THE WELL THEY SAID THEY, THEY THEY'D BE WILLING.

HERE IT IS, UH, THE INTEREST IS TO SELL THE HOUSE SINCE IT'S NO LONGER NEEDED AND REQUIRES SIGNIFICANT UPDATES, THEY WILL, THEY MEANING MARION WOODS, THE PRESENT OWNER WILL PROVIDE ANY INFORMATION THEY HAVE REGARDING THE HISTORY, UH, TO THE H AND L P B, BUT ARE NOT SEEKING LANDMARK STATUS OF ANY KIND.

THE FUTURE PURCHASER MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN SUCH COORDINATION, AND MARION WOODS WOULD BE HAPPY TO RECOMMEND TO SUCH PERSON INCLUDING, UH, UH, TO SUCH PERSON TO COORDINATE AND COOPERATE WITH THE H AND L P B.

BUT AFTER HEARING THIS, THEIR OPINION MAY CHANGE.

ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? OKAY.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY NEED FOR US TO HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON RENARD SELF STORAGE TONIGHT, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY WANNA, NO.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE D O T.

SO NOW WE GO TO THE SIGNS FOR THE, UH, GAS STATION.

A CAR WASH, A CAR WASH, WHATEVER.

I STILL DON'T SEE ANY SIGN OF SIDEWALKS GOING IN, BUT AT LEAST THEY'RE STAYING OPEN LATER.

NOW.

THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS AND, UM,

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NEW YORK STATE HASN'T ALLOWED THEM TO BUILD THE SIDEWALKS YET.

THEY'RE READY TO GO.

THEY GO, THEY'RE READY TO GO.

IT'S JUST A PROCESS.

I MEAN, ALL, WE JUST ASKED FOR THE RENDERING OR, AND PICTURES.

RIGHT? AND THEY SENT IT.

HAD ANY QUESTIONS? I AM IN FAVOR.

I THINK IT LOOKS NICE.

HELLO? UH, I'M IN FAVOR, DIANE.

I'M IN FAVOR.

AND SHAUNA'S BEING QUIET, SO SHE SOUNDS LIKE SHE'S IN FAVOR.

I WAS THE FIRST ONE WHO SAID I'M IN FAVOR.

OH, YOU DID? OKAY.

I THOUGHT CHRISTIE SAID THAT.

NO, I'M IN FAVOR TOO.

THE WHOLE, THIS IS A SIMPLE ONE TO WRITE UP.

ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT IT? DON'T GO TO SLEEP ON ME, PLEASE.

I, I'VE ACTUALLY NEVER DONE A SIGNAGE ONE YOU HAVEN'T IN THE LAST .

WELL, NO, IT'S, IT'S, IS IT THE SAME EXACT FORM OR, 'CAUSE ON THE FORM IT TA IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT VARIOUS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WELL, IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE INCREASING THE NUMBER OF YARD SIGNS FROM ONE PERMITTED TO TWO PROPOSED AND TO DECREASE CLEARANCE OF ONE OF THE SIGNS FROM FIVE FEET PERMITTED TO ZERO PROPOSED.

BUT THAT WE'VE HAD INFORMATION FROM THE TRAFFIC OR THE, I FORGET THE RIGHT WORD, BUT THE, THE TOWN TRAFFIC.

UH, DIANE, I GIVE YOU SOME LANGUAGE IN THAT REGARD WITH REGARD TO THE, UM, JUST TEXT TRAFFIC SAFETY CONTROL OFFICER TEXT ME.

I'LL, I'LL, UH, I'LL DO IT.

I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF THE LATE HOUR THAT I CAN TYPE THIS UP TOMORROW AND SEND IT AND THAT.

WE'LL, JUST AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO THE MOTION.

SO MOTION IS THE FORM.

THERE'S NO CON THERE'S NO CONDITIONS HERE.

UH, I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND ONE CONDITION THAT, UM, FINAL PLACEMENT OF THE SIGN, UM, BE FIELD VERIFIED WITH THE, AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL GIVE THE LANGUAGE TRAFFIC SAFETY CONTROL OFFICER.

WRITE THAT DOWN.

WELL, NO, THE, SO THE, THE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE THE NORMAL CONDITION IS THAT IT'S GRANTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANS THAT ARE SUBMITTED AND THE PLANS ARE SUBMITTED, SHOW WHERE THE LOCATION IS.

IT'S JUST, UM, THE, THE, UH, THE PLANS DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, MEETS AND BOUNDS FOR THE SIGN.

SO WE JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, OKAY.

YEAH, JUST A QUICK FIELD VERIFICATION.

BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY PUT IT UP, ALL I HAVE TO DO IS READ THE MOTION PART OF ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THE 1, 2, 3.

AND, AND GARRETT'S GONNA GIVE YOU FOUR.

AND FOUR IS THE CONDITION? YES.

IRA GONNA EMAIL THAT TO YOU, DIANE, OR DO YOU WANT IT IN THE CHAT HERE? YEAH, YOU COULD JUST, YOU COULD EMAIL IT TO ME.

THAT'S FINE.

WELL DONE.

AND, UM, WHOEVER'S DOING DECISIONS TONIGHT, JUST MAKE SURE YOU EITHER EMAIL IT TO ME OR, AND I COULD FORWARD TO DEBBIE, UH, OR YOU CAN DO BOTH OF US, BUT IF YOU FORWARD TO ME, I'LL GET IT TO DEBBIE.

OKAY, THANKS.

NOW WE MOVE TO SMASHBURGER 2218.

SO DON'T WE HAVE THE COIN THING FOR NO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE 2218, THE COIN STORE.

COIN STORE.

NO, THE SIGN THAT THEY SHOWED US ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT IS NOT WHAT THEY REALLY HAVE UP THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS DARK, KIND OF DARKISH GRAY BACKGROUND AGAINST WHERE IT SAYS COIN EXCHANGE, WHICH LOOKS VERY NICE.

SO THE COIN EXCHANGE REALLY STANDS OUT AS IT'S WRITTEN, AND OF COURSE THE SPACE IS THERE FOR THE OTHER PIECE.

SO THE FACT THAT THEY REDUCED IT, THEY, IT'S, IT'S JUST THERE FOR PURPOSES OF A LOGO BECAUSE THE COIN EXCHANGE STANDS OUT VERY NICELY.

IT REALLY DOES.

THE BUILDING LOOKS GOOD.

SO I ASSUME THAT THE FACT THAT THEY'VE REDUCED THE SIGN, UM, I THINK THAT IT'S FINE TO GO FORWARD WITH IT.

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WHO'S GONNA WRITE THIS? I GUESS I CAN WRITE IT UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO DO IT.

NOW WE'RE AT, OH, NOW WE'RE AT THE HOUSE.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSE.

I DON'T EITHER.

I'M FINE.

ME EITHER.

YEAH, IT REQUIRES CHRISTIE, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD WRITE BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT TO TALK ABOUT.

UM, ITS POSITION ON THE LOT AND OKAY.

THEY, YOU KNOW, FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE BATHROOM HOUSE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW.

HMM.

ANYTHING, ANYTHING TO GET A BATHROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR IS WHAT I'M ASSUMING.

I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS AND NO BATHROOM.

OH MY GOD.

ANY, ANYTHING THEY CAN DO TO, TO IMPROVE THAT BUILDING IS A GODSEND.

UH, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF HOMES ON MANHATTAN AVENUE THAT HAVE BEEN IMPROVED THAT I HAVE TO ADMIT HAVE REALLY MADE A BIG, SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE DIFFERENCE FOR MANHATTAN AVENUE.

AND, UM, DOING THIS ONE AT 1 26, I THINK WOULD ADD TO THAT IMPROVEMENT.

I AGREE WITH YOU LOUIS.

WHO SAID THAT? ANTHONY? YES, THAT WAS ANTHONY.

THAT WAS ME.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

OKAY, NEXT IS TERRY HOLDING COMPANY.

THAT'S ANOTHER SIGN.

NOW WE'RE THAT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER, THE NEW ONE.

IT DOES ACTUALLY.

I LIKE IT TOO.

I'LL BE HONEST, I NEVER NOTICED THE SIGN DRIVING WEST AT ALL.

UM, JUST, UH, IT'S SO, IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE ROAD THAT YOU SEE THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

WHO'S WRITING THE DECISION FOR 2219 MANHATTAN AVENUE? UH, I AM.

WHO'S THAT? I CAN'T SEE.

OH, CHRISTIE.

CHRISTIE.

AND WHO'S DOING THE COIN EXCHANGE? ME.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, CONTINUE.

AND LOU'S GONNA DO TERRY, HOLD IT.

UH, ASSUMING WE'RE AGREEING, WELL, ASSUMING YOU'RE AGREEING, DIANA, YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ISSUES WITH IT ON THE HOUSE? NO, NO, NO.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, MASH BURGER MASHBERG? NO, I ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT THEIR NEW LOGO WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.

SMASHBURGER AND HENRIQUE.

SOUNDS LIKE A DECISION IN THE MAKING.

, SHE'S ALREADY GOT A DECISION.

I I COULD HAVE SWORN SMASHBURGER WAS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WHEN THEY OPENED JUST THIS.

THEY WERE, THEY WERE, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR A, UH, A SIGN ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WHERE THE, UH, SO THAT FROM THE BOWLING ALLEY THAT WAS ASSIGNED A SMALL SIGN? IT WAS FOR A SPECIAL PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT.

SO WHO WANTS TO DO IT? IT WAS LEFT.

I DUNNO, SOMEBODY ARE THESE, I DON'T, I DUNNO HOW TO BEGIN.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS OR WHERE THE FORM IS OR ANYTHING.

SO I, THAT'S WHY I HAVEN'T OFFERED, I'M SORRY.

WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO MORE CASES LEFT.

NO, THERE'S ONLY ONE MORE LEFT.

WELL, NO, TWO MORE MEANINGS.

YOU'RE DOING SMASH BURGER, HUH? I'VE SAID IT SIX TIMES NOW.

EMAIL THE FOREMAN SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE.

IT, UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE H AND L P P.

LOU, YOU'RE DOING SMASH BURGER.

OKAY, SO WHO'S DOING HENRIQUE? ENRIQUE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

WE DIDN'T EVEN GET, WE HAVE TO BE GETTING UP TO THAT.

OKAY, WELL WE'RE UP TO IT NOW.

2221 .

WAIT A MINUTE.

MAYBE YOU WANNA GIVE SHA ONE OF THE SIGNS THAT'S EASIER.

THAT'S EASIER.

SHE WASN'T OFFERING TO DO ANYTHING, SO I DIDN'T WANNA PUSH HER TO DO ANYTHING.

NO, NO.

I THINK I HAVE TO.

I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IS OCCUPIED.

THERE ARE FIVE.

THIS WILL BE IF YOU GRANT IT AS OPPOSED TO ADJOURNING

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UM, THEN THERE'S FIVE GRANTING AND THERE ARE FIVE OF YOU.

SO WE SHOULD HAVE ONE.

WHAT IS, WHAT'S WHAT I WANNA DO WITH THAT HOUSE? WELL, YOU CAN ASSIST SHANNA AS YOU'RE DOING YOURS.

WHAT'S UP WITH THE, UH, HISTORIC AND LANDMARK PRESERVATION BOARD? YEAH, WITH 2221, THEY HAD A PROBLEM BECAUSE THE RENDERING WAS NOT ACCURATE.

I THINK HE OH, RIGHT, THAT'S THE ONE.

OH YEAH.

SO WE COULD ADJOURN IT EXCEPT HE WANTS TO GET HIS HOUSE UP.

WHAT RENDERING? YEAH, SO THE SITE PLAN DIMENSIONS, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.

UM, I THINK BECAUSE WHAT HE INDICATED THAT, THAT THE, THE, THE, THE ONE FRONT FACING VIEW WAS NOT LIKE THREE D ENOUGH OR SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT, MEANING THAT THE BUILDING WAS RECESSED AND THEN HE SHOWED THE SIDE VIEW, WHICH SHOWED THAT THE, UM, THE BUILDING ADDITION WOULD BE RECESSED FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND PERHAPS, BUT THE FRONT, BUT THE FRONT VIEW LOOKED, MADE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS STRAIGHT ACROSS, I THINK.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT THE SITE PLAN IS, IS VERY CLEAR.

AND SO YOU COULD MAKE IT, YOU COULD, SHOULD WE APPROVE IT CONDITIONAL UPON RECEIPT OF AN ACCURATE NO, THE RENDERING IS A, WAS A DRAWING NOT TO SCALE.

NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ACCURATE PLAN.

WE HAD, HAS HAS AN ARCHITECT.

SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN ACCURATE PLAN.

C CAROL, DO YOU KNOW WHICH RENDERING? 'CAUSE I CAN PUT THAT UP.

I I JUST REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND UNDERSTANDING.

UH, IT'S, IT'S THE ONLY ONE IN COLOR AND IT'S THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.

SO I'M GONNA PULL THAT UP.

I JUST REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.

IT'S A DRAWING ACTUALLY.

BUT NOT THE SCALE, JUST A DRAWING AND THAT, OKAY, I'M LOOKING AT THE FRONT ELEVATION.

THAT WAS PART OF THE PLANS AND ELEVATIONS BACK AND SIDES.

OKAY, SO, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE DRAWINGS HERE.

NO, IT'S, IT'S A SEPARATE THING IN COLOR.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU HAVE, IF THE ZONING BOARD HAS IT OR IT WAS JUST SENT TO THE HISTORIC.

SO IT'S NOT A ZONING BOARD SUBMISSION.

'CAUSE THESE PLANS ARE VERY CORRECT, SPECIFIC IN DETAIL.

SO YOU'RE SAYING A PLAN THAT WAS NOT SUBMITTED TO THE CBA.

DID I DOWNLOAD ANY PICTURES? IT'S MORE OF A PICTURE.

IT'S NOT JUST LEMME TRY.

LOOK IT.

I'LL GO RIGHT THROUGH THE FILE OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS .

YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS A COLOR RENDERING THAT WAS SHOWN EARLIER IN THE RIGHT AND THEN PRESENTATION AND IT ACTUALLY HAD WINDOWS ABOVE THE ROCKS THAT DIDN'T MATCH THE ELEVATION.

ELEVATION DRAWING.

BUT ULTIMATELY THE VARIANCE IS CONSISTENT.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS IN THE PACKET.

WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT A FIVE, YOU HAVE A, UH, A FRONT ELEVATION THAT HAS WINDOWS ABOVE THE GARAGE.

THEY, THEY HAD DIFFERENT WINDOWS THOUGH.

THE ELEVATIONS HAD THE UP WINDOWS.

THE RENDERING HAD WINDOWS IN BETWEEN THE GARAGE DOOR AND THOSE UP WINDOWS.

BUT IT'S REAL, REALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE PLANS BEFORE, YOU WERE THE BLUEPRINTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO YOU WITH THE ELEVATIONS.

UM, SO ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CASE? NO.

NO, I DON'T, I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO CONTINUE ON.

I THINK IT'LL BE HELPFUL FOR THEM TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE H AND L P B AND, YOU KNOW, SUBMIT WHATEVER RENDERING NEEDS TO BE UPDATED.

BUT YEAH, I JUST DON'T SEE THE CONNECTION WITH THIS APPLICATION.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE CHAIR AND ONE OR TWO OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WENT TO THE SITE TODAY.

SO JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS, WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLANNING.

AND THEY ALSO WANTED, UH, A SAMPLE OF THE HARDY BOARD THAT THE HOUSE WAS GONNA BE, UH, COVERED IN AND ALSO THE COLOR OF THE ROOF.

AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A QUALM, SO THEY FELT THEY COULDN'T MAKE A DECISION ANYWAY.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THAT REALLY IMPACTS THE VARIANCE.

I'M NOT SURE THAT IT DOES THOSE CONCERNS.

UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY AGREES.

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OKAY, SO CAROL, I WANNA SEND SHAUNA THE, UM, FORM THAT SHE WOULD FILL OUT.

THAT'S IN THE, UM, I DRIVE AND IS IT IN ZONING BOARD FOLDER? JUST SO I'M CLEAR THOUGH, WE'RE JUST READING THE MOTIONS TONIGHT, RIGHT? YES.

AT THIS POINT IT'S 1135.

I DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT GONNA WRITE NOW.

SO, CA CAROL, SORRY, DID YOU HEAR ME? NO, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I JUST WANT TO EMAIL SHAUNA THE, THE, THE, THE MOTION SO THAT SHE KNOWS WHAT TO READ AND, AND TO FILL IN THE BLANK.

SO I SHAUNA, YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MOTION OF A MOTION, THE BLANK FORMS THAT I SENT.

UM, I DON'T SEE IT HERE.

SOUNDS LIKE SHE DOESN'T HAVE IT HANDY.

I JUST WANNA SIMPLY EMAIL.

DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GONNA BE DOING IT? AM I DOING 20 20 20? WHO IS DOING 2021? YES.

22, 21.

UH, GARY, SO I'LL DO 22.

YOU CAN CHAT CAROL, JUST SEND ME A CHAT WHERE IT IS.

I, SO WHO'S DOING 2220 AT THE MOMENT? NO, NOT ME.

I GET, ALRIGHT, SO SHAUNA, SO SHANA WILL DO 2220.

SMASHBURGER, RIGHT? YES.

SMASHBURGER.

SORRY EVE, I KNOW YOU WANTED LOUIS TO DO IT.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

STAY WELL, THANKS ANTHONY.

OH, ALL RIGHT.

ANTHONY OR CAROL? YEAH, YOU CAN TELL ME WHERE IT IS IF IT'S EASIER THAN CHATTING.

UNDER FORMS AND ZONING.

YEAH, FORMS. OKAY.

UM, JUST, ALL RIGHT.

C, B A FORMS. OKAY.

SO I, I, I, OKAY, SO I, I I I DON'T SEE THAT, UM, IN Z B A AND UM, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? OH, Z B A FORMS. I GOT IT.

OH, AND THEN CAROL, I'M GONNA SHARE SCREEN AND SHOW YOU WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

WH WHERE, WHERE DO WE FIND THEM NOW? UH, I CAN'T SEE THIS.

UM, SO IT SAYS AREA VARIANCE, MOTION GRANTING.

SO SHAUNA, I'M GONNA EMAIL THIS TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

LOVE YOU.

OH MY GOSH, KARA, YOU GOT YOU.

CASE WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA WAS CASE TWENTY TWO OH FOUR SIX TWENTY FIVE DOBBS FERRY REALTY, AND I'LL READ THE SEEKER STATEMENT.

YEAH, YOU GOTTA MUTE THERE.

WE CAN HEAR YOU.

I HAVE A HEADACHE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

SO IF THERE'S NO MORE DELIBERATION AMONGST THE BOARD, I'M GONNA RECORD PAUSE THE RECORDING.

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[04:29:48]

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WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD WITH REGARD TO OUR DELIBERATIONS AND WHAT WE HAVE MANAGED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS EVENING.

UH, THE FIRST

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WHEREAS GREENBERG'S C V A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SEEK COMPLIANCE, AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A AS LEAD AGENCY CONDUCTED AN UNCOORDINATED REVIEW AND DETERMINED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS AN UNLISTED ACTION, WHEREAS THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED ACTION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND ISSUED A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON JULY 14TH, 2022.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

AND IS THERE A MOTION? AYE.

MADAM CHAIR, MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2 2 0 4 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANTS OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER.

IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED NOVEMBER 5TH, 2021, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR SUCH PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.

THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

ONLY.

ANY FURTHER FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES.

EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN, THE HEIGHT OF THE SHRUBBERY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPERTY SHALL BE LOWERED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE TOWN ENGINEER SO AS TO ENSURE THAT MOTORISTS LEAVING THE SITE HAVE ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCES.

BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED, APPLICANTS SHALL EITHER PURCHASE THE PROPERTY OF THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PROPERTY ON WHICH SEVERAL OF THE GREENHOUSES ON THE PROPERTY ARE LOCATED OR OBTAIN A USE PERMIT FROM THE NEW YORK STATE, D O T PERMITTING THEM TO USE SUCH PROPERTY FOR CONTINUED LOCATION OF THEIR GREENHOUSES THEREON.

IF THEY FAIL TO OBTAIN EITHER APPLICANTS SHALL REMOVE THE GREENHOUSES THAT ARE ENCROACHING UPON THE NEW YORK STATE D O T PROPERTY.

THE PRODUCTS TO BE SOLD AT THE PROPOSED FARM MARKET SHALL BE LIMITED TO THOSE SHOWN IN THE ATTACHED LIST OF PRODUCTS.

IF APPLICANTS SEEK TO SELL ANY OTHER PRODUCTS AT THE FARM MARKET, THEY SHALL SEEK AN AMENDMENT TO THIS USE VARIANCE IN ORDER TO DO SO OTHER THAN THE PRODUCTION OF DONUTS, THERE SHALL BE NO BAKING ON THE PREMISES.

THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE FARM MARKET BUILDING SHALL BE USED FOR OFFICES AND EMPLOYEES OF THE APPLICANT'S ONLY AND SHALL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THE VARIANCE GRANTED HEREIN, IS BEING GRANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FARM MARKET BUILDING TO BE USED AS ACCESSORY TO THE CONTINUED USE OF THE SITE AS A NURSERY.

IF THE NURSERY USE SHOULD CEASE, THIS VARIANCE SHALL LAPSE AND THE OWNER SHALL BE REQUIRED TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE THEN APPLICABLE ZONING REGULATIONS OR OBTAIN APPROVALS FROM THIS BOARD FOR ANY VARIANCES THAT MAY BE REQUIRED FOR SUCH NEW USE OF THE BUILDING.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, AYE.

AYE.

WELL, WON'T YOU MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT EVE THAT THE, UM, THE FINDINGS RULES? OH, OH YES.

UM, OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR AS IT IS ALMOST MIDNIGHT, UM, WE ARE NOT GOING TO READ THE FINDINGS ON ANY OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE THIS EVENING.

HOWEVER, THAT INFORMATION WILL BE PUT INTO THE RECORD AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SEE THEM AND CAN CONTACT THE SECRETARY WITH RESPECT TO THAT.

UM, THEREFORE I AM ASKING FOR D DID WE HAVE A SECOND? I'M SORRY.

YES, WE'VE ALREADY SECOND AND VOTED.

OKAY, WE'RE READY TO MOVE.

I ONLY HEARD TWO POSITIVE VOTES THOUGH.

THAT'S WHY I STOPPED.

I THINK WE ALL SAID I EXCEPT FOR YOU.

RIGHT? I ONLY, I ONLY HEARD TWO, BUT OKAY.

AND I AM, I'M VOTING NO.

AND THE NEXT CASE WE HAVE ON OUR AGENDA IS SCARSDALE GOLF CLUB

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2208.

AND THAT IS BEING ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO THE MEETING OF AUGUST 18TH OR 11TH OR 11TH.

NO, NOT, OR IT'S THE 11TH.

IT'S THE 11TH.

, PLEASE CORRECT THE RECORD BEING ADJOURNED TO AUGUST 11TH.

AND THE NEXT CASE IS CASE 2215 MARION WOODS, L L C.

AND THAT ALSO IS BEING ADJOURNED FOR ALL PURPOSES TO AUGUST 11TH, NEXT CASE, THIS CASE 2216.

AND THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE VILLAGE OF ELMSFORD BECOMING THE LEAD AGENCY IN THIS APPEAL, AND THEREFORE THE MATTER WILL BE ADJOURNED TO AUGUST 11TH, 2022.

I THINK YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A, UM, A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A VOTE ON, UH, ACCEPTING.

UH, HELFORD IS, UH, LEAD AGENCY.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME BACK UP PLEASE AND ASK, IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE ZONING ON BEHALF OF THE ZONING BOARD FOR US TO ACCEPT ELMSFORD BEING THE LEAD AGENCY WITH RESPECT TO THIS MATTER? SECOND, SHANA, SHANA TO TALK DON'T RAISE SECOND RIGHT.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

CHAIR VOTES A THANK YOU AND AS I SAID, THAT MATTER IS NOW ADJOURNED TO AUGUST 11TH, 2022 AND THE NEXT CASE ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS CASE 2017, WHICH IS JEAN SHEET SHEET SHEELEY.

AND LET ME JUST BRING UP MY, UH, DID YOU ASK IF I'M SORRY I WAS COUGHING OR SNEEZING? DID YOU ASK FOR A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR? YES, WE DID.

WE DID IT ON THE CASE THAT WE HAD, LET ME, LET ME READ THE, UH, RESOLUTION FOR THE SEEKER ON 2217 WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO C A COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

AND THE CHAIR VOTES AYE.

THE CHAIR ALSO MOVES THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE 2218 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAINED ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED JULY 5TH, 2022, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY HEREAFTER BE MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICE OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.

SECOND, THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE AS THERE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES.

WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN WAIT NOW WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT JUST A SECOND.

THIS IS CASE 20.

WHAT CASE IS THIS? 2017, CORRECT.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M ON THE WRONG ONE.

OH MY GOODNESS, I'M SO SORRY.

OR NO, YOU DID EVERYTHING IS THE SAME PRESUMABLY EXCEPT MAYBE THE DATE OF THE PLANS.

ALRIGHT, SO JUST CORRECT DEBBIE, CORRECT THE, UH, THE, UM, RECORD, IT'S 2217, NOT 2218.

OKAY, IT'S 2217 INSTEAD OF 2218.

OKAY, BUT THAT WASN'T THE ONE I DID.

2217 IS DEFINED.

IT'S THE ONE I DID 2217 HAS A, HAS A, UM, CONDITION.

IS, UH, JEAN SHEELEY AND THE GREENBERG C D A HAS REVIEWED, HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE, ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG C D A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.

2217 IS UH, THE, WE'RE JUST GONNA GO OUTTA ORDER.

WE JUST DID 2218 NOW WE'LL GO BACK.

CAN WE GO? YES.

CAN WE? SORRY DEBBIE.

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AND DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YES, MADAM CHAIR.

I HAVE A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2217 BE GRANTED PROVIDING THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE THE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED 6 9 21 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDING THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.

THE VARIANCE BEING GRANTED IS FOR IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION ONLY.

ANY FUTURE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK OR OTHER VARIANCES.

WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN FURTHER THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL BE MET.

THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE LOCATION DEPICTED IN THE APPROVED PLANS DATED 6 9 20 21.

STAMPED RECEIVED JUNE 6TH, 2022 WITH FIELD VERIFICATION BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SAFETY OFFICER REQUIRED PRIOR, PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.

DEBBIE, DID YOU HEAR? DID THAT UH, COME THROUGH? OH, DEB, DEBBIE, I I DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

COULD YOU READ IT AGAIN? YEAH, THE LA THE LAST CONDITION YOU UH, I BROKE UP.

FURTHER THAT THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHALL BE MET.

THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN SHALL BE INSTALLED IN THE LOCATION DEPICTED ON THE APPROVED PLAN DATED 6 9 20 21.

STAMPED RECEIVED 6 28 22 WITH FIELD VERIFICATION BY THE TOWN'S TRAFFIC CONTROL AND SAFETY OFFICER REQUIRED PRIOR TO INSTALLATION.

AND THE NEXT CASE ON OUR AGENDA IS CASE 2219 LEWIS ZUO JUNGO Z.

C A COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREEN B HAS Z B A HAS DETERMINED THAT THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SEEK OF CONSIDERATION.

UH, WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SE A COMPLIANCE AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES.

I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2219 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED 11 24 21 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.

THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED ARE FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

ONLY ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.

AND NEXT WE HAVE TERRY HOLDING COMPANY AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THAT THE ABOVE REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO

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I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 22 DASH 20 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE SAME WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED 3 18 22 SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICE OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN THE VARIANCE IS BEING GRANTED FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS SHOWN ON THE PLANS SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

ONLY.

ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMS TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.

AND NEXT WE HAVE 2221.

AND I'M SORRY, BUT WHAT DID WE DECIDE TO DO WITH THIS MATTER THIS EVENING? UM, WE'RE GRANTING IT.

WE'RE GRANTING IT.

ALRIGHT FORWARD AND THE GREENBERG Z B A, THIS IS CASE 22.

21.

RO AND PRISCILLA, HER THEN ENRIQUE, I'M SORRY, ON WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS REVIEWED THE ABOVE-REFERENCED APPLICATION WITH REGARD TO SECRET A COMPLIANCE, AND WHEREAS THE GREENBERG Z B A HAS DETERMINED THE APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT NOW THEREFORE GET RESOLVED, THAT THE SUBJECT APPLICATION IS A TYPE TWO ACTION REQUIRING NO FURTHER SECRET CONSIDERATION.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? YES YOU DO, MA'AM.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE HERE BOTH.

AYE.

UM, I MOVE THAT THE, I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION IN CASE NUMBER 2221 BE GRANTED PROVIDED THAT THE APPLICANT OBTAIN ALL NECESSARY APPROVALS AND FILE, SAME WITH THE BILLING DEPARTMENT.

THAT CONSTRUCTION SHALL BEGIN NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER THE GRANTING OF THE LAST APPROVAL REQUIRED FOR THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND PROCEED DILIGENTLY THEREAFTER IN CONFORMITY WITH THE PLANS DATED MAY 4TH, 2022, SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

OR AS SUCH, PLANS MAY BE HEREAFTER MODIFIED BY ANOTHER APPROVING BOARD OR AGENCY OR OFFICER OF THE TOWN.

PROVIDED THAT SUCH MODIFICATION DOES NOT REQUIRE A DIFFERENT OR GREATER VARIANCE THAN WHAT WE ARE GRANTING HEREIN.

THE VARIANCE BEING THE VARIANCES BEING GRANTED IS FOR THE IMPROVEMENT SHOWN ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION.

ONLY.

ANY FUTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT IN CONFORMITY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE SHALL REQUIRE VARIANCES EVEN IF THE CONSTRUCTION CONFORMED TO THE HEIGHT, SETBACK, OR OTHER VARIANCES WE HAVE APPROVED HEREIN.

WELL, NEXT MONTH SHAUNA GETS TO DO ALL OF THEM.

I WON'T BE HERE.

MAYBE WE'LL CHANGE THE MEETING.

? YES.

WELL, EVERYONE ENJOY THE SUMMER SINCE WE FINALLY GOT TO IT.