Confession of his lordship over all of creation in the Spirit is appropriate at all times, but carnal idolatry of Christ is inappropriate: Christ himself avoided these kinds of people (Jhn 6:15).
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The fear of the Lord (YHWH) = The fear of the Lord (Jesus)
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You're always seeking to confound persons. That is your whole agenda here.
johnny guitar
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I NEVER confound Persons.
You always do, just by depersonalizing God.
johnny guitar
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How is God in Three Persons "depersonalizing" God???
Because is amorphizing or communizing the deity, as if thuman persons, which they are not, but a hierarchy of Spirit with the Father at the top and most definitely the source of all deific power.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of worship demonstrates He is God.
Revelation 3:9 was already addressed here:
- The "one Lord" in reference to Jesus being YHWH (1 Corinthians 8:6)
Yes! You totally dodged the evidence I supplied. Nope, I haven't, but you keep dodging Philippians 2:9-11 and no wonder also, for you know good and well that no matter what you try to explain about it, it will not even come close to removing what it reveals about your false doctrine, for it is...
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Furthermore, you cited Revelation 5:9 in your post, and this verse demonstrates the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of worship. In fact, every time "a new song" is used in the Bible it always refers to the worship rendered unto God.
- Invocation worship and prayer
What we see here from Paul is that he equates Jesus as the source of grace and peace with the Father. Paul clearly identifies Jesus as equal with the Father and expresses His Deity with these invocations in his epistles. Not only is this a prayer from Paul but an act of worship in Paul's...
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And yet He is the proper recipient of prayer and other biblical words for worship which prove He is God.
We have been through this before: "in my name" is what is commanded by the Lord himself. Or do you proclaim him as God on the one hand but refuse to do what he says on the other? It seems so.
And Stephen properly prayed to the Lord Jesus.
Acts 7:59
They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!” (NASB)
1. Mounce's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words: Jesus is the addressee when epikaleō is used in the sense of praying (Acts 7:59) (Call, page 93).
2. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament: Stephen prays: kurie Iesou dezai to pneuma mou (Ac.7:59) (5:771, paradeisos, J. Jeremias).
The Lord Jesus being the proper recipient of prayer proves He is God.
- Deuteronomy 6:4-5 - Only one time is necessary
It would take only one time for the Bible to teach the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer/worship to demonstrate He is God. Since the Bible teaches this truth in quite a few passages leaves those who deny He is God with no excuse for their unbelief...
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Yahchristian
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I agree !!!
Whereas others say the Lord Jesus being the proper recipient of prayer proves He is A MEMBER OF the Godhead.
Here is a summary of what I believe...
GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
Please post a summary of what YOU believe.
No (Acts 13:10).
Only to Stephen was the sight of Christ granted personally. You do not have such a sight.
Mounce is a committed Trinitarian bigot.
There are other passages which teach praying to Jesus.
- Paul applies YHWH from Joel 3:5 (LXX) unto the Lord Jesus in Romans 10:13
Romans 10:8-14 (8) But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): (9) that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. (10) For with...
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Go ahead and cite a Greek New Testament lexicon written by a non-Trinitarian.
From John Schoenheit (who denies the Lord Jesus is God) on 2 Corinthians 12:8:
We are to talk to Jesus about our problems and pray to him for help.
2 Corinthians 12, REV Bible and Commentary
2 Corinthians 12 REV and Commentary - Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this so that it would depart from me. - Bible verse
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What's your next lame excuse?
I don't need to offer excuses. You do.From John Schoenheit (who denies the Lord Jesus is God) on 2 Corinthians 12:8:
We are to talk to Jesus about our problems and pray to him for help.
2 Corinthians 12, REV Bible and Commentary
2 Corinthians 12 REV and Commentary - Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this so that it would depart from me. - Bible verse
What's your next lame excuse?
You don't seem to understand that prayer is one thing (προσεύχομαι) and calling upon (ἐπικαλέω) another.
Your eternal attempt to confound and conflate the Greek language is getting ridiculous. Is this what you have committed your life to?
johnny guitar
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The Lord is God and vice versa.
johnny guitar
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Impossible to call upon God without praying to Him.
johnny guitar
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Gibberish.
Greetings johnny guitar,
Kind regards
Trevor
You could benefit by an exercise that our Young People did about 60 years ago. We were given a list of all the OT words for God, including the YHWH Name and the many other titles for God, e.g. El, Eloah, Elohim. We were given a listing of verses where some of the more obscure titles occurred and given the task to colour El, Eloah and others, while leaving Elohim which occurs the most times. This has helped over the years to give more meaning and understanding to some verses and it definitely avoids the blurring of the meaning which you attempt.
Kind regards
Trevor